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Name at least 5 mid/rear-engine rear-drive cars that ran in at least one WRC event in Group 4 or Group B (say 1973-1986). I came up with a list of 8 off the top of my head, but I probably don't have all of them.

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Off the top of my head:

Lancia Stratos
Lancia 037
Alpine A110 1600S
Ferrari 308 GTB
Ferrari Michelotto 308
Renault R5 Turbo

That's all I can think of. Give me more!

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Here are a few more:

Lancia Delta S4
Peugeot 405 T16
MG Metro 6R4
Ford RS200
Skoda RS

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>Off the top of my head:
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>Lancia Stratos
>Lancia 037
>Alpine A110 1600S
>Ferrari 308 GTB
>Ferrari Michelotto 308
>Renault R5 Turbo

Well, I was counting the different flavors of 308 as one type, but how about:

Porsche 911 (various flavors)
BMW M1
DeTomaso Pantera
Alpine 310 (I believe)

The Peugeot 205 mentioned in another post was 4WD.

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>Here are a few more:
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>Lancia Delta S4
>Peugeot 405 T16
>MG Metro 6R4
>Ford RS200
>Skoda RS
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>Doug Woods
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>P.S. Adrian, I have started a "continuous quiz" on another
>thread in the Old Farts section. Check it out and
>participate.

Doug;

Most of those (except the Skoda) ar 4WD, not RWD. I'm not sure if the Skoda ever ran in Gp4 or GpB. I suppose I should have specified rear-drive ONLY ;-). That's what I get for not doing a proper requirements analysis ;-).

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>Well, I was counting the different flavors of 308 as one
>type, but how about:
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>Porsche 911 (various flavors)

I think your original post (since edited?) said "mid-engine rwd" and I took that to exclude 911s.

I would guess that a 310 has run Tour De Corse at least, but that's just a guess. I don't know if a Pantera has ever run a WRC event. Would be curious to know.

Oh, and were Delta S4's 2wd? I assumed they were 3wd, as they replaced the 037, and by then it was clear 4wd was the way forward...

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>Most of those (except the Skoda) ar 4WD, not RWD. I'm not
>sure if the Skoda ever ran in Gp4 or GpB. I suppose I should
>have specified rear-drive ONLY ;-). That's what I get for
>not doing a proper requirements analysis ;-).

Adrian:

No, I read the question wrong.

But, being an old fart, I now have a legitimate excuse for getting things wrong.

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>>Well, I was counting the different flavors of 308 as one
>>type, but how about:
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>>Porsche 911 (various flavors)
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>I think your original post (since edited?) said "mid-engine
>rwd" and I took that to exclude 911s.

Yes, I edited it because the distinction between mid- and rear- engined tends to get a little blurred.

>I would guess that a 310 has run Tour De Corse at least, but
>that's just a guess. I don't know if a Pantera has ever run
>a WRC event. Would be curious to know.

Yes, 310s have run various WRC events, I just wasn't sure that they were mid-engined. I do have a picture somewhere of a Pantera running on gravel at San Remo (when it was a mixed surface rally).

>Oh, and were Delta S4's 2wd? I assumed they were 3wd, as
>they replaced the 037, and by then it was clear 4wd was the
>way forward...

The Delta S4's were 4WD, turbocharged, and supercharged.

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RE: Pantera

If you have a copy of World Rallying 4 (1981), there is a photo of a Pantera (on gravel!) in the San Remo section.

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>Most of those (except the Skoda) ar 4WD, not RWD. I'm not
>sure if the Skoda ever ran in Gp4 or GpB.
OOOooohhh yes. Skoda Super Estelle 1300 had a nice GpB spec with nice cast alloy manifolds arching 180 degrees over the top of that poooor little 3 main bearing 1300 and 45 DCOE Webers, a choice of gearbox ratios, LSDs etc.

I'm surprised that it took so long for anybody to bring up the Skoda which has the most remarkable record in rally in a 20+ years string class wins and fantastic overall placings especially in the hands of John Haugland from Norway in the RAC.



I suppose I should
>have specified rear-drive ONLY ;-). That's what I get for
>not doing a proper requirements analysis ;-).
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>Adrian
well that's they way I read it.





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>Actually, the RS200 was both 4WD and RWD!
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>Don't think it ever ran Grp 4 though.

No, it was too late to be covered by the Group 4 rules. Group 4 cars were only allowed until 1982 (or maybe 1983 for privateers). The Group B rules took effect in 1982 (with 1982 as a transition year). The RS200 was homologated in late 1985.

I specified Group 4 or Group B to cover the top-level cars across the time period.

I could have included Group 5 cars and non-WRC events, which would have included some more exotic vehicles like the Lancia Stratos Turbo and the Lancia Beta Montecarlo Turbo on the Giro d'Italia. It would also have included some other Gp5/Gp6 cars on the Tour de France.

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