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· Mä meen vittu sinne!
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The point is, if they averaged 80 mph they wouldn't complain most likely. I averaged 49 mph on a rally on Colin McRae 2005 this morning and thought it was a blast.
 

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I did some analysis for the WRC Finland from 2003. The first six stages averaged 126.22 km/hr or 78.43 mi/hr. The fastest stage in the first six was SS3 at and average of 145.46 km/hr or 90.38 mi/hr. Isn't 10000 Lakes many of the driver's favorite. Or do I just remember hearing that somewhere.

(Note: Total six : 90.34k, fastest time total: .71576 hr.
SS3 : 22.3 km, Markko Martin/Michael Park - .1533 hr (9m 12s))

They ran 3 again as stage 9 but a little shorter and Martin/Park averaged 83.X mi/hr. He must have hated it and thought it went totally against the whole spirit of rallying.
 

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<Yes 80!
<80 km/hr. or 48 mph.
<We're soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better!>

I wouldn't compare US rallying to anything in the rest of the world. You were the one who did. I was just pointing out that just like we have rallies and stages that can average high speeds, so do they. You original post seemed to imply that all WRC events had low average speeds and that we are "so much better" because we can have faster speeds which is a falacy. We suck compared to the rest of the world. Which is precisely the reason why I would attend any rally school in the UK or Finland before I'd attend one in the US. Also why I'm applying to Oxford as my first choice for my PhD, as well as CU Medical School, University of Washington's School of Public Heath, and Minnesota School of Public Health. My choices all depend on rally.
 

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You may have just given me an idea for my Senior Statistics project! :) Though I wouldn't look at speeds and such as I don't think that speed averages are an important part of rallying. But # of rallies, series info, average entrant numbers, number of rally schools, cost of the schools, would all be interesting info. The really hard part would be using this ranking each variable to determine the countries "score".
 

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RE: Because I can

The original plan called for around 78 stage miles if I recall and that is what the coefficient is based upon. What happened to some of the miles is a question only the organizers could answer and really most of us could probably care less about. Day 1 there was around 67 miles I think but the cancellation of stage 2 brought that down to around 53-54. Thanks for the post John with at least some arguments included. I agree with some of what you said in it and support the current idea that starting drivers should be required to run a min. number of events in a NA 2WD car before they are able to run in a turbo AWD car. I stick by my opinion that people that were not there shouldn't comment on a particular stage be it a discussion forum or not if they have no personal experience with the stage. I'm sure the stage with 90 mph average in Finland is a very fun and challenging stage so baseing an opinion on a stage, or in some cases, an entire rally, off of no personal experience and strictly based off of the average speed is a ludicrious proposition. Now if anyone wants to send me a blank disc I'd happily send them a copy of the in-car from SS7 at Cog. Driver average was around 55 with some time lost due to hood pins not being latched and having to pull over and get it closed (lost ~60-120 secs.) after it flew open.
 
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