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I'm just doing this from the top of my head, but....

Between 1963 and 1973 there were two rallies on the world circuit that in each case in every year were won by cars with the same orientation of the engine to the drive wheels. But the two rallies were won by opposite designs. What were the rallies and the designs?

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(hint: for one of these rallies you can carry the same pattern back to 1961, and for the other you can carry it forward to 1986).
 

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>Between 1963 and 1973 there were two rallies on the world
>circuit that in each case in every year were won by cars
>with the same orientation of the engine to the drive wheels.
>But the two rallies were won by opposite designs. What were
>the rallies and the designs?
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>(hint: for one of these rallies you can carry the same
>pattern back to 1961, and for the other you can carry it
>forward to 1986).

Andrew:

Also, from the top of my head (for I consider it to be cheating to try and find the answers to rally quizes on the internet or in reference books), I will guess at Monte Carlo (transverse engine or engine over drive wheels) and Safari (in line engine with rear drive).

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Oh no! That was obviously much too easy! But of course you're correct. I didn't realize this odd fact until I was reading Gunnar Palm's Tricks of the Rally Game on the subway this morning. Of course that means that any car that won the Monte between 63 and 73 did not win the Safari in that era, and vice-versa. Horses for courses.

I think in 1960 a Mercedes won both, but that was a rare (and final?) front-engine rear-drive Monte win.

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>Also, from the top of my head (for I consider it to be
>cheating to try and find the answers to rally quizes on the
>internet or in reference books)

Couldn't agree more, but that is the only way I can ever find answers to these. :+
 

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>Oh no! That was obviously much too easy! But of course
>you're correct.

Andrew:

Let's keep this thread going. Since I was correct, I get to ask the next quiz question. Whoever gets it correct, then gets to ask the next question, etc.

So here is my question (remembering, of course, that we are in the Old Farts conference, for this and all subsequent questions): "Can you name two drivers who won WRC events while wearing a beard?".

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>I think in 1960 a Mercedes won both, but that was a rare
>(and final?) front-engine rear-drive Monte win.

Andrew:

You are forgetting Walter Rohrl. I think he won once in a Fiat 131 Abarth and twice in an Opel Ascona.

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Oooh. Interesting. The rule is we don't look at the books, right?

I'd say the following might have won rallies bearded: Henry Kallstrom, Rene Trautmann, and (I'm stretching now - maybe in the hair-product sponsor days?) Roger Clark.

However, I'm going to go out on a limb and say Walter Boyce and John Buffum!

Any of those? No?

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hmm, Harry Kallstrom had the big handlebar 'stash- but no beard.
I would guess Shekhar Mehta and J. Sinje (don't EVEN ask me to spell that one- but he was also from an Africian nation).
 

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>hmm, Harry Kallstrom had the big handlebar 'stash- but no
>beard.
>I would guess Shekhar Mehta and J. Sinje (don't EVEN ask me
>to spell that one- but he was also from an Africian nation).

Jeff and Andrew:

You both have one correct. Hints - Harry only had a moustache and Joginder Singh was a Sikh.

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Joginder Singh was one of my Safari favorites. I met Jaswat Singh at a northwest rally, decades ago. I believe he was out of Vancouver, BC. Is he still around? rallying somewhere?


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So it's Singh and Boyce!

Do I get to ask the next question?

Oooh. This is fun. Like a rainy weekend indoors but with rally buddies.

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>So it's Singh and Boyce!
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>Do I get to ask the next question?

Andrew:

Yes, you win with Boyce (POR) and Singh (Safari). BTW, I was talking to Walter a few weeks ago and he is now "sans barbe", as we say in Quebec.

You get to ask the next question. Remember the ground rules. Questions should focus on the Old Farts era (roughly pre 1980 or so) but questions with links to the current era are just as good. And try to make the questions simple enough or "figureoutable" so people do not have to use Google.

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P.S. What are you doing playing around on your computer. Should you not be getting ready for BDC this weekend?
 

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OK - I'm obviously letting my side down. Baie was a bit busy. So, uh...

This might be an easy one. I like Marathon rallies though, so:

What three misfortunes happened to what three leading cars on the 1968 London-Sydney Marathon on the last leg to allow what recently-retired head of what WRC team to win and instantly gain the reputation of a "long distance specialist."

For bonus points, although I will give away that one of the causes was a mechanical failure, what was the root cause of the mechanical failure?

And to throw in an extra question that I really don't expect anynoe to get but might be fun: finish the phrase that Hannu Mikkola said to the Finn Eero Soutulahti after the 1970 1000 Lakes Rally when Eero stormed the event, practically cornering on the door handles: "Eero, you had better start learning ___________"

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>And to throw in an extra question that I really don't expect
>anynoe to get but might be fun: finish the phrase that Hannu
>Mikkola said to the Finn Eero Soutulahti after the 1970 1000
>Lakes Rally when Eero stormed the event, practically
>cornering on the door handles: "Eero, you had better start
>learning ___________"
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>ACP
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The answer is "English"

In order to get a works ride, Finns usually had to learn some English.

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>This might be an easy one. I like Marathon rallies though,
>so:
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>What three misfortunes happened to what three leading cars
>on the 1968 London-Sydney Marathon on the last leg to allow
>what recently-retired head of what WRC team to win and
>instantly gain the reputation of a "long distance
>specialist."
>

I know Lucien Bianchi was in the lead in Australia until his Citroen was invoved in a collision with a noncompetitor.

I think Roger Clark in a Cortina also DNF near the end. He had dropped a valve earlier while in the lead and Evan Green (I think) gave him his cylinder head.

I know Colin Malkin was in the winning Hillman Hunter, but I don't think he is the "recently retired head of a WRC team"

For bonus points, although I will give away that one of the
>causes was a mechanical failure, what was the root cause of
>the mechanical failure?
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>And to throw in an extra question that I really don't expect
>anynoe to get but might be fun: finish the phrase that Hannu
>Mikkola said to the Finn Eero Soutulahti after the 1970 1000
>Lakes Rally when Eero stormed the event, practically
>cornering on the door handles: "Eero, you had better start
>learning ___________"
>
>ACP
>Flirting with the laws of Finland.

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>What three misfortunes happened to what three leading cars
>on the 1968 London-Sydney Marathon on the last leg to allow
>what recently-retired head of what WRC team to win and
>instantly gain the reputation of a "long distance
>specialist."
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>For bonus points, although I will give away that one of the
>causes was a mechanical failure, what was the root cause of
>the mechanical failure?

Andrew:

Rally was won by Andrew Cowan/Colin Malkin/Brian Coyle in a Hillman Hunter. As an aside, I have met the three of them.

Biggest misfortune was Lucien Bianchi/Ogier? in a Citroen DS21 who were leading the rally with about 100 miles to go when they had a head on collision with a Mini (I remember this since I was driving a Mini Cooper at the time) which was apparently being driven by two drunk cops!

Paddy Hopkirk (BMC 1800?) who then would have won, stopped at the accident scene and thought it was so bad that he went in search of help and lost the rally (although I think he did finish somewhere near the top).

The third misfortune - hmmm. A guess here, but I seem to recall that Roger Clark (Lotus Cortina) was also leading and had some kind of mechanical failure - bad fuel???

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You guys are pretty good! You're also pretty close. Paul, although you're ocrrect about Evan Green earlier sacrificing his cylinder head, that's not what failed on Clark's car to put him out.

Doug, I'm going to have to check on the Hopkirk thing, but I don't think it was stopping for Bianchi that cost it for him. And that relates to this last refinement of the question: what order did the three go out in?

And technically no one has made the connection to the modern WRC team, although I suspect that someone will have no problem now.

Uh, is it just the three of us here????

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>And technically no one has made the connection to the modern
>WRC team, although I suspect that someone will have no
>problem now.

Andrew Cowan - Mitsubishi.

As an aside, I believe Andrew Cowan and Colin Malkin were in the winning car in the 1977 London-Sydney too (as part of the Mercedes steamroller). I forget who the third member of the team was.

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>Doug, I'm going to have to check on the Hopkirk thing, but I
>don't think it was stopping for Bianchi that cost it for
>him.
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>And technically no one has made the connection to the modern
>WRC team, although I suspect that someone will have no
>problem now.

Andrew:

I think you are correct on the Hopkirk thing. Let us know.

As for Andrew Cowan, I did not state the connection since it was obvious, was it not? Guess not.

If three people all get bits of the correct answers, how are you going to choose who asks the next question?

Perhaps, we should not have too many parts to each quiz. Maybe just one or two things to be answered. What do people think?

Doug Woods
 
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