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Thinking about buying a 93 Escort GT to rally in (mostly rally-x for now). Anybody run one? Know of anywhere to buy stuff for it?
 

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The 1993 Escort GT is the finest rally car ever built! You should grab it up if you happen to find one for sale. Especially the '93 version with faded red paint, dented fender, blue grille, and grungy interior. If you could find one of those, it would be IDEAL!!!

Brian Flanagan

FOR SALE- 1993 Ford Escort GT. Faded red paint, dented fender, blue grille, grungy interior, otherwise perfect. Email for info.:7
 

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It is basically a Mazda 323 with different skin, so it has all the benefits and drawbacks that the 323 does. Since the 323 in the AWD from was/is popular I'd imagine there is plenty of gravel stuff out there, but the 323 guys could tell you for sure.


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>It is basically a Mazda 323 with different skin, so it has
>all the benefits and drawbacks that the 323 does. Since the
>323 in the AWD from was/is popular I'd imagine there is
>plenty of gravel stuff out there, but the 323 guys could
>tell you for sure.

You might want to check that... If you are talking about the 90-94 GTX/GTR that went to any country other than the US then you are correct. The 93 Escort GT shares nothing with the 323 GTX that came to the US in the years 88/89. The Escort GT came with a 1.9l engine whereas the 323GTX in 88/89 had a 1.6l B6T and the 323/Protege of 90 to 96? had a 1.8l BP. You could pull the engine out of the Escort and install a BPT, but not much otherwise is similar in the engine bay. There is a ton of stuff for the Laser in Australia that could be similar to the Escort since they are the same car, with the exception of the engine. And if you wanted to fabricate a rear end... you could purchase a Laser TX3 tranny and make it AWD... but that would be alot of work.

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try checking out these sites

http://www.escortracing.com/
http://www.escortgt.com/

they have some info on parts and some modifications, but not too much on rallying. Being an owner of a 94 LX, I can't give you too much firsthand info on rallying in a GT, but it sure is fun in the LX. My car has some wicked understeer(well, that might be the driver) on tarmac, but is a tad more controllable on dirt. I've ridden in a GT once, and the handling and power seemed to be decent, but on the LX needs more horses and stiffer springs. I know that they have the same chassis, so some suspension parts may be interchangable. Since the LX seems to be much more abundant than the GT, some spare parts may be easier to come by.

I'm pretty sure that the escort is very similar to the mazda MX-3 in the same way that the probe = MX-6. I've been told that the chassis is the same as in the mx-3, but I have no idea about the engine. I think corksport (www.corksport.com) may have some stuff for the escort. I know that weapon-R has made an intake for it, that was a few years ago, so I have no idea about the availability of it. I have run the LX in a few rally-x events; it didn't do too great, but I am also still learning how to drive.

So far my LX hasn't broken, but I don't romp on it too much. A slight wheels off the ground now and then, a couple of wheels in a ditch, but nothing too serious. It seems to not mind the cattle-guards too much either.

To the best of my knowledge, this info is accurate, but correct me if I'm wrong.

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Actually, the GT version had the Protege LX's 1.8L 16v motor, vs. the regular 'scort with the 1.9. The GT is a much sweeter motor, and also shares many other mechanicals with the Protege.

m'kay???

Brian Flanagan

(I have a Protege protege working here with me...);)
 

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The 1.8l is Mazdudu's BP motor. That is why I told him if he wants to go turbo he should source a BPT. The T stands for Turbo. The 88/89 GTX has a B6T in it... it is a 1.6l motor.
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>You might want to check that... If you are talking about the
>90-94 GTX/GTR that went to any country other than the US
>then you are correct. The 93 Escort GT shares nothing with
>the 323 GTX that came to the US in the years 88/89. The
>Escort GT came with a 1.9l engine whereas the 323GTX in
>88/89 had a 1.6l B6T and the 323/Protege of 90 to 96? had a
>1.8l BP. You could pull the engine out of the Escort and
>install a BPT, but not much otherwise is similar in the
>engine bay.

The 91-96 Escort was a Mazda 323/Protege with a different skin. The base escort had the old 1.9 CVH engine, but the GT had the 1.8 BP just like the Protege/323. Suspension/drivetrain/brake wise it is the same as the Protege/323/MX-3. Any rally related parts that will fit the FWD 323 should bolt right on a 91-96 2nd Generation Escort.

The 2nd Gen Escort should accept all the AWD runnig gear from the GTX, and I think would be a good way for those with GTX's to upgrade into a newer car to stay in PGT because of age limits. Gary at www.CompassMotorsports.com is in the planning stages of putting a GTX AWD drivetrain in a 2nd Gen Escort.
 

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Brian,
How badly hurt is the Escort after we drove the poo out of it on Saturday at the rally cross. How much is Billy asking for it? I might just buy the thing. Also, when and where is the next rally cross?
 

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Escort GT 1, Rally-X 0! Aside from a shredded accessory belt (don't think that's Rally-X related), everything held up okey-dokey! Special buddy buddy asking price is $700 plus some Website-related labor;) . No extra charge for the dirt. We will also help out whenever possible.

So run some green down here, and it can all be yours!

But please- No Ass Money.

-Brian
 

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The BFMR 323 GTX (88-89) transmission is different than the BG tranny that was used in the 90-94 323/Familia GTX/GTR/Laser TX3. The BFMR tranny has a spider gear center diff that could be run open or closed. The BG tranny has a viscous center diff that could be locked(only if the tranny is removed). The BPT motor is tilted back 18 degrees towards the firewall. This is the problem of putting the BG tranny in the BF GTX. But CorkSport in Seattle has done an upgrade of this type so it can be done.
If I were to make an Escort GT AWD I would use the BG tranny and get a rear half-cut of a J-spec Familia GTX/GTR or Laser TX3 and mate it to an American Spec Escort GT. It is a better tranny than the one that is in the BFMR GTX. The Tranny that was used in the 90-92 Protege AWD was a modified BFMR tranny and is not as good as the BG tranny.
But this is all semantics... You say that the 88-89 tranny will work in the Escort... and I say that you are making a huge mistake as the BFMR tranny is very weak. Use the BG tranny.
But you would be better of trying to import a German Spec 323 GTR and not deal with all the work.
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The 91-96 Escort was a Mazda 323/Protege with a different skin. The base escort had the old 1.9 CVH engine,
but the GT had the 1.8 BP just like the Protege/323. Suspension/drivetrain/brake wise it is the same as the
Protege/323/MX-3. Any rally related parts that will fit the FWD 323 should bolt right on a 91-96 2nd
Generation Escort.

You need to realize that the 86-89 323 is a different vehicle than the 90-96 323/Protege. There are very few parts that can be used between the cars without a lot of modification.
 

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>You need to realize that the 86-89 323 is a different
>vehicle than the 90-96 323/Protege. There are very few
>parts that can be used between the cars without a lot of
>modification.

Ahh, I did not know that. That does make sense though. I guess there is not much out there for the 90-96 Protege? The Escort ZX2 that Tad Ohtake drives uses the same platform as the 91-96 Escort but I have no idea what he has under his car as far as suspension.
 

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Yea man, that Escort was 'da poop.' It drove exactly the same after 18 rallycross runs. Really, I was impressed with it. Felt solid, good balance on dirt, and kinda fast too. A little cage work and a case of fabreze, and someone could have themselves a good rally car.

-Chris
 

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Oh, think finding rally parts for this is difficult? Try finding them foran E30 chassis BMW like we're running. THEN you have ta get creative!

If we can't find what we need, we can either adapt or fabricate!

Brian Flanagan
FOR SALE: '93 Ford Escort GT, faded red paint, dented fender, nasty interior, rally-x tested...;)
 

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Hey, Chris, whatcha doin' on here? Are you a member of SpecialStage now? More Soloists lookin' over the proverbial fence, cool. Now, the TurboToilet (so named by me for the "flush" sound made by the blowoff valve during shifts) just needs some big honkin' Rally tires and about triple the ground clearance it has now.

Welcome to the asylum!

Brian Flanagan:+
 

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Hmm, triple the ground clearance, that'd be almost 4 inches. Actually, the little red guy who sits on my left shoulder has been thinking - we've practically got an entire car's worth of spares in the garage anyway. Wouldn't they be easier to keep track of if they were all bolted onto a rallycross car? The garage would be cleaner - it could stay outside - I promise to feed it - it just followed me home? Do you think any of these will work?

-Chris
 

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Just tell the wife you're using it to bring home new and assorted dirt for the flower garden....

Or, paint it like the street mod car, she'll think she's seing double and probably won't bring it up in fear that you'll say she's crazy.

If she does mention it, tell her she's crazy....:+

Brian Flanagan
(Don't tell Julie these ideas came from ME, of course)
 
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