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_ One of my customers has a nice 73 Capri he road races 2.0 motor ,WT trans (I want to say) 8in rear end LSD 342 gear, Cage (NASA NACA what ever thay call it spec I think) He wants to sale it < Make a fun rally car ???? Ive been working on it for years. Any one want more info. It's in AZ. You could road race it today Nice car Just thought I would ask Thanks David

__ Ps Don't " " me on the spec if you want some info and pics let me know. Faster on the road race track then I thought It would BE, The times Ive raced it!! To fast for the brakes!! But I,m a rally driver so if you get it crossed up she stops OK . Needs new Home
 

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Several Capris were rallied in the 70s. Bill Dodd drove a V-6 powered Capri to many top ten finishes. There were several with 2.0 liter engines (Wayne Wiley for one). I remember one 1600cc Capri from Michigan which was very fast, but was rolled badly on a Sunriser. Loyal Jodar had an Fergusan all-wheel drive Capri he rallied for a number of years.

I know Bill Dodd's Capri competed in the 72 POR so a V-6 Capri would be eligible for H Class.

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Rally Capris:
- Gregg & Jay won Californian Rally Championship STOCK class in a Capri V6-2.6. (I had pleasure to be their "unpaid factory driver" for one event, which I won). The motor, 2.6, was very torque but 2.0-OHC would be more "sporty".
- A Famous road racer, Mr Norris in California, also started to rally in a Capri 2.6 and was a top runner
- 3.0 RS Capris were really fast in European rallies on tarmac and won Grp1 many times. I don't think anyone won on gravel, though.
- I've also driven 3.0 Capri RS in Europe and it's very tail happy! US cars are 2.6 liters, built in Germany. 3.0s were English ones.
 

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That AWD Capri had more lights on it than anything I can recall as well as a super-trick (for its day) circuit breaker system.
 

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>I know Bill Dodd's Capri competed in the 72 POR so a V-6
>Capri would be eligible for H Class.

Paul,

The car isn't elegible for H-Class under current rules. It's a '1973.

"The Historic PerformanceRally Class is for two-wheel-drive vehicles manufactured before January 1, 1972."

It's a great car though. I hope somebody buys it for grins and rallies it in G5. (I don't think anyone needs a rule book to recognize it as historic.)

Rich Smith

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Don't count it out of H Class...I'm working on revisions to the H Class rules for 2004 and hopefully a blanket "sanctioned exemption" for the rest of this season, and the age limit is one of the things needing changing. (please, I don't want to carry on discussions of these rules revisions here; interested parties should email me privately if you want to discuss where we are with these).
 

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got pushrods?

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>It's a great car though. I hope somebody buys it for grins
>and rallies it in G5.

Since it is a pushrod engine, the 2.6 or 2.8 would still be G2.
 

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- Good call Mr P Smith!! The little car has to be H Class. Open UP H class a little. I bet theres a car or two on the border of the "1/1/72" that would go nicely in "H"

_ I should say on the car.The guy is not much of a "racer" . He likes to make the cars more then race the cars. Most of its track time is in the "no passing in the turns racing thang" You all be nice on that!! Ive raced it more in "hand to hand combat racing" then he has. It needs front brake! I did the cage work years ago 140 wall I think? He's a machinist, a goood, machinist been making me coool stuff for the road race bikes and the SCORE cars I do out of my shop for years.
He makes nice cars!!

_ Nice car add front brakes, shocks, tires, and to the gravel. If I had the time, I'd buy it, someone should race it, it just sets (sets indoors)

David

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>>I know Bill Dodd's Capri competed in the 72 POR so a V-6
>>Capri would be eligible for H Class.
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>Paul,
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>The car isn't elegible for H-Class under current rules. It's
>a '1973.
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>"The Historic PerformanceRally Class is for two-wheel-drive
>vehicles manufactured before January 1, 1972."
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A V-6 Capri would be eligible for historic class if manufactured before Jan 1, 1972. I know this example (73 Capri) wouldn't be eligible under current rules, but I believe that Capris were built before Jan 72 with the V-6. Bill Dodd rallied on a low budget, so I'm pretty sure that his car was at least a year old by the 72 POR.

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I used to bomb around on northern MN logging roads in the early 70's in a V6 Capri... totally within the legal limits, of course - great car! Do you have any pics?
 

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_ I have pic's if someone can get them up on the forum? This net , PC thing Kicks my back side, Not good at the Web Racing, better at racing around in the woods. Any help on this???? I can email pic's, sorry
 

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_NO WAY!! Your saying that a Capri made on 12/30/71 can race ,but one made after can not,Thats nuts!! Maybe I'm wrong but it's the SAME CAR!!! The SCCA is funny??? So if I show up in this car and Joe Rally shows up in the same car but it's vin is 12/30/71 he can run H class and I can't. This is nuts ,Sorry , I'll change the vin tag!!
 

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Come on you guys, don't get your underwear in a bunch over the 12/31/71 cutoff date right now. I'm working on expanding that and once I've got feedback from PRB, will get something posted here. The SCCA may be slow and ponderous, but the Powers That Be do seem to be seriously interested in a viable H Class....

Besides, I don't even know (or ever knew) where the original vin tag from the MG is...and I don't want to know. If you've got an eligible title and the car is spec'ed to the correct period, who's going to care?
 

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_ Sorry , And thank you Mr Smith ,


_ Could you run a V6 ??? In this car?? In H?

_ If I had half a brain I would keep it and go V6,

_Can I come play if I make a copy of a Perana out of this car
}> Please!! Please!!

_A Perana?? New one on me!! Cool, Someone got some info on a "Perana" Wow,

_Whos V8?!? Thats good, I got V8's all over the place, This is going to be EASY !!!!



_ Someone say that a Perana IS made befor 1/1/72 PLEASE!!

_What's A Perana?

_ David

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I finished the '74 POR with Wayne Wiley in a '72 Capri. I think the car is still in a garage in Southern Michigan.

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> Has anyone ever rallyed a Capri??? Thay came with a V6? V6
>in H class???
> Has anyone ever rallyed a Capri??? Thay came with a V6? V6
>in H class???
Hey Dave!
Sure, and not just here in the US. They even rallied at the world level (der Röhl at Monte? and Safari?)
In the mid-late 80s I had a bunch of Crapi guys here in Sleezattle having me ask about rally gooodies for their MkI and MkIIs especially after they would go for little rides in my_FORD V4_ powered Saab 96 (well after the ride they would go home and change their shorts, their low compression 2600 and 2800 V6s made about 100 bhp and maybe revved to 5500, my V4 made about 165bhp and revved past 7500; their cars had like 3.64 rear end ratio, mine at the time 5.83! Shocked the hell out of them!)

So I did what I usually do: tracked down folks running the things in the hardest arena I could, which was the British BTRDA series, and talked to a guy who was the last guy to win at that level Nigel Worsick. He was very helpful and friendly and pleasantly surprised to hear that folks from way over in the States was actually following British Championship events.

He said that the car is for all intents a big Escort, the longer 100.5 inch wheelbase and the attendant long snout being the biggest difference, and the resultant change of weight balance. Now a well done Escort is just about perfect fr-rear balance and is the coolest car in the history of the world to drive on gravel, so he said he had made big efforts to shift the engine rearwards as much as humanly possible.
All the other things in the whole car were essentially straight MkII Escort Gp4 stuff. Easy. especially if you have the Homologation papers sitting right here, tee hee! Pages and pages of waaaaaay beeeeching brake parts, hubba hubba!

The motor, especially the 2600 V6, are really simple to get more poop out of since the US versions were delivered with nominal 8:1 compression. With nice flat top, zero deck pistons, the motors are happy at 10.3:1 on 90 okt gas, go forged pistons and 93 okt and 11:1 is fine. The real problem is finding good uncracked head cores. And that goes for the 2800 as well. They crack. Way more than the V4 due to length.
There are problems failures of cams again due to length, and the small journal sizes. They wind up. There are cam gear failures as well related to the cam wind up or snaking. But depending on how the rules are read or rewritten, the nice common 2.9 V6 out of Rangers are essentially indentical EXTERNALLY except the spacing of the exhaust ports. Cam journal sizes were upped in later 2800s, this carried over and Ford went to a chain for cam drive to "allow more agressive cam profiles".
There are bigger oil pumps for the motors (I keep them in stock, use them on all V4 rebuilds.) There are off the shelf big valves, the sizes being 42mm intake (vs 37mm) and 36mm exhaust (vs 32mm), and my own motor has the available 44.5 intake and 38mm exhaust. Tee hee.

The real fun chassi and steering and brakes and bodyshell stuff are all straight common Escort stuff. Easy. No need to think, just build the car straight out of this book sitting right here called "How to Prepare the Ford Escort for Rally".
For our US roads, fast and simple, the longer wheelbase would be just groovier than sheeet.

The real question is how to bring some sense to the process of writing the rules since it appears that it is now Mr Smith who is somehow the guy who will decide what happens to the rules, but you will have to write him privately since appearantly this stuff is too sensitive to discuss on a discussion forum. Don't know why.........

Maybe it's the threat of WAR! Them swarthy terrorist dudes, who might be hiding in the desert down there in Arizona, might be waiting to disrupt H class if they knew what was being planned! LOOK OUT! there a terrorist behind you now!
If that terrorist dude doesn't kill you, You might want to grab this car and forget those Misterbitchy things you're thinking about, this would be way cheaper and waaay waay funner, and I could make it as fast.





John Vanlandingham
Seattle, WA. 98168

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

PS
Dave, did you grease him, man?
You owe me, man, I saved your skin.

dammed terrorist are everywhere these days.
 

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_ OK, Rally world there has to be someone out there in never, never land that can see a win or too, and a H class "rule change" after you do a rally or three?!?!!!! JV and I think it,s a great Car ( I do not know if this is good or not, I think the same as JV;-) This could get scary!) I hope this thing gets used up at the races and not just site on the trailer. I have to go to SoCal soon could drop it off?!! And now the right BS on the car (I hate it when MY work just sits and gets waxed, I'd rather see it at the races!!!)


1973 Capri Vin GAECMY 02 089


MOTOR 2.0 (2000 CC )

Trw forged Popup Up pistons??? 0.30
Rods, full float pin, polished balanced
Crank, Standard
high vol oil pump
Ford SVO cam
New followers, valves Crane springs, retainers ,keepers
OffenHauser 4bbr intake 400 cfm carter AFB
Headman header
Hi torque starter
Ele ignition, ford alternator (not Bosch)
200 miles on new motor

Cage 1 5/8 .140 6 pts
8 in rear 462gear, Auburn LSD 10x1 3/4 back brakes 1/2 wheel studs (71 mustang Axle and rear brakes)
New front end, rack, ball jounts the works!! New brakes drums ,rotors, master, Brake hoses
12gl fuel cell
WT trans new bearings , Center Force II clutch, custom drive shaft spicer joints

NO RUST AZ CAR was a nice car to start with has some hail damage on the roof
More!!! The car is a new race car!!!
And how for the red neck part, Come to find out I know the first owner that got it for his wife had a auto trans. Motor died, "lawn art" for yeeaars. This guys had it for years. Nice car,the guy does nice work
 

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Long Escort???

_ OK JV Some call you a nut!!?? BUT, I hear the same voice's in my head as you do, I need help!! What I like most about you JV is you will try a new way to do it! I've been working with the "race thing a long time" WE do what the other guy does. Rule books have holes!!! Look in the holes!
So that makes me nuts too!!!! I like it!!!??

- Your saying that if someone (I) were to rally this thing I would for the most part have a "Escort" under me ? Yes?

-How would a 'Long Escort' do in the South west rallys?? Rock

- Been working on it for years aways thought it would go good in the gravel.

- By be I go run amuk in this thing in G2 and H untell someone changes the rules on me. Wouldn't be the first time I,ve done that!!

-How fare up the line do you think I could get?!! }>

:) :)
 
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