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    just read this here : http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/world-...rpr-1762018518

    its great advice and from an up and coming WRC Driver too !

    Buy something that wonít break all the time.
    Buy something with low running costs.
    Buy something with easily available parts.
    Buy something with either front-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive. Leave off all-wheel drive and stick to the basics.
    Buy something slow and simple. Learn to outdrive your car, donít let your high-level car drive you.
    If you want to build a career as a fast driver, go FWD.
    If you just want to have fun, go RWD.
    Enter your car in autocrosses and gymkhanas to build up your skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A1337STI View Post
    Buy something with either front-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive. Leave off all-wheel drive and stick to the basics.
    Buy something slow and simple. Learn to outdrive your car, don’t let your high-level car drive you.
    So buy something that has a limited market and no resale value (low powered fwd/rwd cars), then learn to outdrive said car, then be saddled trying to recoup money out of said car, and then buy the expensive car?

    I mean, I don't argue with the actual logic, but for the "do less than 3 events ever in their rally career" north americans, it makes little sense.
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    Alex, Hayden doesn't even know which side of the road to drive on down there.
    Quit trying to make me a better driver. Now to figure out how big of wing I will need on car...

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    you need a wing big enough that tech doesn't let you pass right away.

    if your spoiler passes tech too quickly, its not big enough. At a minimum the tech should have to take 3 measurements and spend no less than 2 minutes.

    if the tech fails you due to spoiler size, Its almost perfect .. give him some beer and offer to fix it for the next event.
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    You know all those 1-3 and done event drivers ...

    would it be better to guide them into something fun so maybe they stay?

    or something cheaper with low running costs, since chances are they will bail, this will minimize their losses, and make a market for slightly cheaper cars for new drivers..

    I wonder how many people think its lame that they were slow (in a slow car) and give up cause they did so poorly VS
    I wonder how much people bite off more than they can chew (financially)

    My first 3 events I think I was last in class maybe 1 off dead last? but i really really enjoyed it. took me about 10 events until i was really bored with the car and sort of wondering "why am i doing this?" IE spending so much to drive something sooo slooow . (Ironically I was winning my class most of the time and placing much better OA)

    but that was me and i stayed with it. i really wonder what most of the out before 3 drivers think.

    Wasn't Anders working on a former driver survey? does he need people to make calls and fill out forms? (guess i'll call/ txt him) i could be down for that. and now i'm curious
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    Quote Originally Posted by A1337STI View Post
    You know all those 1-3 and done event drivers ...

    would it be better to guide them into something fun so maybe they stay?

    or something cheaper with low running costs, since chances are they will bail, this will minimize their losses, and make a market for slightly cheaper cars for new drivers..

    I wonder how many people think its lame that they were slow (in a slow car) and give up cause they did so poorly VS
    I wonder how much people bite off more than they can chew (financially)

    My first 3 events I think I was last in class maybe 1 off dead last? but i really really enjoyed it. took me about 10 events until i was really bored with the car and sort of wondering "why am i doing this?" IE spending so much to drive something sooo slooow . (Ironically I was winning my class most of the time and placing much better OA)

    but that was me and i stayed with it. i really wonder what most of the out before 3 drivers think.

    Wasn't Anders working on a former driver survey? does he need people to make calls and fill out forms? (guess i'll call/ txt him) i could be down for that. and now i'm curious
    I think this is one of the key problems in NA rallying. The idea that you have to start out in an AWD beast. Almost everything costs more. You are going to chew up more brakes, tires, gas etc.

    CARS is trying to get more 2WD competitors using a 2WD Championship and TV coverage as part of the mix. I hope they stay at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A1337STI View Post
    You know all those 1-3 and done event drivers ...

    would it be better to guide them into something fun so maybe they stay?

    or something cheaper with low running costs, since chances are they will bail, this will minimize their losses, and make a market for slightly cheaper cars for new drivers..

    I wonder how many people think its lame that they were slow (in a slow car) and give up cause they did so poorly VS I wonder how much people bite off more than they can chew (financially)

    All those things the kid says, he learned real well from the crusty sea-dogs who have been guiding and leading him on his pathway...and they all sound really familiar. Amazingly similar to oooooh I dunno.
    What anybody with lots of experience in almost any sport who has seen so many come in and then out.

    (except you probably read into it exactly what you want --like where he says "get a slow car".
    I strongly suggest that what you think he meant by a slow car and what he meant are 2 drastically different things.)


    Now for the above bit.
    Who said it is an either/or this versus that?
    I think plenty plenty come in and bit off too much technically for they themselves to manage, too much cost total--- and then become de-stoked when they are mid pack in a cookie cutter clone car that really isn't exciting in itself---and they don't have the skills to drive it hard enough to make it 'exciting".

    Often its not either/or iys a both and then some.


    As for "guiding people"...gimme a break. It is rare in the extreme that I have seen anybody on any forum ever be "guided" by good advice.
    Most people in a consumer capitalist society must be authoritarian followers and its hardly surprising that they are in this sub-branch of society..
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiTempguy View Post
    So buy something that has a limited market and no resale value (low powered fwd/rwd cars), then learn to outdrive said car, then be saddled trying to recoup money out of said car, and then buy the expensive car?
    Without question this is a financially responsible direction.

    Build a $10k car and sell for $3k = $7k loss

    Build a $70k awd car and sell for $35k = $35 k loss

    Driving a 140 hp or even a 110 hp rally car at the limit is pretty fucking intense. Guarantee you that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve View Post
    Without question this is a financially responsible direction.

    Build a $10k car and sell for $3k = $7k loss

    Build a $70k awd car and sell for $35k = $35 k loss

    Driving a 140 hp or even a 110 hp rally car at the limit is pretty fucking intense. Guarantee you that.
    I guess they taught you all that high faluting 'rithmatick way back when youse was gwan to school.
    Seems these young 'uns can't quite work out how that happens..

    Been trying for years to 'splain "Now _________________ (Jason/Justin/Ryan/Tyler/Ethan/Nathan or whatever the 6-8 names all guys under 40 are all named) ONE good all steel LSD costs less than THREE LSDs, OK?"
    Doesn't work.

    Did you happen to see Paddon's results from last year's NZ Rally Championship round in Otago last year?
    NZ runs NZRC rounds for both current way wicked turbo 4wd things and Historics same day and same distance, no BS about shorter SS miles..same for all..
    Paddon in a Appendix K Historic MkII Escort Group 4 spec 1600 BDA won the event overall..Beat every single turbo 4wd car including guest star from Merikuh in the unlimted budget Hoonmobile of Mr Ben Klock..
    And Otago is not some super narrow, super twisty "road the width of a golf cart path" thing, its fast and flowing, good sight lines and seemingly ideal for big power cars..

    1st Overall period.

    Proof a well built simple car with a few specific things optimised is good enough to beat the top driver's in Merikuh in their over the top obscene budget cars..

    If vigorously and well driven..

    Good driving from Paddon..
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve View Post
    Without question this is a financially responsible direction.

    Build a $10k car and sell for $3k = $7k loss

    Build a $70k awd car and sell for $35k = $35 k loss

    Driving a 140 hp or even a 110 hp rally car at the limit is pretty fucking intense. Guarantee you that.
    A 2wd car and an awd car cost the same to build. Something is messed up with your math. Maybe you are part of the problem, trying to convince people awd cars have to be so much or don't bother?

    Additionally, its more like "and sell for $0" in regards to the 2wd car, as the market is small and no one wants them. Ask your local gravel rally tire seller how much of each size they sell, it certainly isn't the "smaller" sizes.

    I have zero issues with rallying a 2wd car, I've run them and have ran in them. The market isn't there is all. There is a theoretically perfect idea and then there is reality.
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