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    As emphasized in the novice meetings and by everyone who rallys, it's a matter of when you crash. When for us was this weekend, and it was a good one. Once it happened I realized, too late of course, that I wasn't quite prepared. I knew what to do by the letter, but actually doing it and the situations around it are very different things.

    So to the fellow codrivers out there, and anyone else too, here's the situation I found myself in:

    We tagged a tree on a R4 Vlg > n.c. What this meant to me was that we were very likely to have a meeting with the guy behind us in 1 minute or less. My driver handed me the triangle in reach, my good sign he was OK and thinking clearly. I jumped out of the car and..

    Well, it was night, and we were down about an 8 foot ditch, took me a bit of scrambling just to get up the ditch. Then I realized I'm in roughly complete darkness - I couldn't see a damn thing. I knew we were well into the tightens part of a very, very long right. I needed to get that triangle out there, but I also knew it had probably been 30 seconds or more already by the time I got up to the road. I hadn't had time to even look for my OK page yet, so here I am on the bad side of a n.c., my driver still in the car, and I can't see the road back.

    Fortunately for us the volunteer coordinator was marshaling with another who had a light maybe .1 mile back from where we crashed. With his light and vest, we were able to run back and get the first triangle set right as the next car came (and we dove off into the woods down the ditch because they didn't slow a bit).

    Then I had to run back to the car - to find out the rear end was destroyed - and try to get to the triangle box, again in the dark - and again without the marshal's help I'd have been in a mess.

    I've run over the situation in my head a lot since it happened and really I can't quite see how to make this better. For the guys who have been through this, what would you do? Do most codrivers have a light? What do you do if you can't get to your triangles due to damage to the car?

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    Can't speak for others but, always wore a pen on a lanyard around my neck and attached to the lanyard were and still are 2 small lights, one red and one white. Still have the pen on a lanyard as well as the two small lights and they do come in handy at night. Even getting out of the car when in the lineup for a stage the lights help in not stepping out of the car in the dark and down an embankment. The lights would have helped find the OK quickly, some people keep a laminated OK sign velcroed to the roof of the car above the roll cage so you always know where it is as that is as important as the triangle. Without the OK the next car should have stopped to make sure you were OK before continuing.

    Wondering why the driver handed you the triangle; most times the triangle is on the co-drivers side of the car within reach while strapped in. Hope your next adventure ends better.
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    It was between the driver's seat and the trans tunnel, so I can reach it and so can he. He was just quicker on the draw and gave it to me while I was getting out of my harness.

    Lanyard lights aren't a bad idea - wasn't sure how I'd actually carry a light. Most of the common options wouldn't be very reliable. I could certainly put a light in my pocket, but the chances of it falling out would be pretty high, the suit pockets aren't great in that respect. I wonder if I should have some velcro sewn on them to hold them closed.

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    I usually have a head lamp around my neck when running at night. Primarily in case something happens to the map light, but also in case we end up stopped in the middle of no where. Bonus is it's hands free and if things are really messed up you can take of your helmet and use it as intended. (I recommend my driver have one for night stages as well)
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    OK velcro'd to the roof, accessible by both. Doesn't matter which way you've landed, it's within reach and secure. I made a run of 11x17 signs and laminated them. Folded it in half, and put velcro on it and the roof.

    If there's a triangle in the between the driver and the trans tunnel, attach another one in front of your seat. You never know what's going to happen there and trans tunnels get hot. I don't want to have to worry about burning my hands while reaching for it. Or burning my hands while not worrying about burning them inadvertently.

    As for lights, while I don't like having a rope of any kind tied around my neck in a car at speed, I've seen enough guys do the lanyard bit. Some suit companies can customize a pocket about mid-shin (should be arms reach when you're sitting) length to hold 2-3 pencils. I take the stitching out of position 2 & 3 to make a bigger opening. You could put a flashlight with a pen clip on it there.

    If the next car past saw you, but no OK sign, they should have stopped.

    Mostly, just don't panic. Take your time and get to the top. Keep an ear out for the next car and when it's close, listen carefully for it. The marshal would let finish know you're off if a car or two goes by without reporting you as visible.

    EDIT: Agree with Keith, do have a headlamp accessible. Those are great for night stages.
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    I keep a small Maglite in my bag, which is at my feet. If it's a car you will be riding in often, ask the driver (or do it yourself) to install some kind of small pouch on the door where you can keep things like pens, batteries, and a small flashlight.

    I think I am going to start bringing a headlamp with me as well.

    Your story is a little unclear: you were on the inside of the > n.c.? It was n.c. because of the huge ditch on the inside that you fell into? Was the car blocking the road at all?

    I've definitely stood in the woods or on a bank holding a triangle and giving a thumbs up for quite a few minutes of cars behind me... Stand on the same side of the road as your car is off, as far off the road as you can still be visible, and try to slow competitors a bit while still signaling "OK" even if you don't have your sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jard View Post
    Your story is a little unclear: you were on the inside of the > n.c.? It was n.c. because of the huge ditch on the inside that you fell into? Was the car blocking the road at all?

    I've definitely stood in the woods or on a bank holding a triangle and giving a thumbs up for quite a few minutes of cars behind me... Stand on the same side of the road as your car as you would set up a triangle and try to slow competitors a bit while still signaling "OK" even if you don't have your sign.
    We went off the outside of the tightens no cut, there was a ditch outside and large immovable objects inside. The ditch wasn't huge, the car was definitely visible, but the most pending danger would just be someone else taking it wide right into us. Someone else had apparently done it before us about 50 feet away, but not as severely.

    Problem with standing there is there was no way to stand in a safe spot behind trees and be visible. The trees were clear down the ditch, and were very thick/messy once you got down there. So it was either stand on the outside of a very long/fast corner on the actual road, or be down in the trees where we'd be safe but not visible at all. The inside of the corner would've been reasonably safe, but obviously of no use in this situation since we were outside.

    All of the suggestions about pockets to store things and such make sense. The headlamp and lanyard as you said (in my mind) were just kind of a "Hm I probably shouldn't have this while strapped in with a HANS and helmet". Maybe attaching a light to the triangle itself even is not a bad idea, along with the pouch to store a small hand lamp. I'd bet I can ziptie a small LED light to a triangle.

    This is how we'd have looked from the road, but you'd be well into the corner by the time you could see it
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    I would have gone as far up the road as necessary with the first triangle (to get myself safe) and trusted that the driver was attempting to extract himself safely and get the 2nd triangle set up closer to the car. But it's something you *should* discuss with every driver before every event.
    J. Lantzy

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    I have a small light on my pen around my neck. At night I have one in my pocket. You might want one in a bag on your door or attached to the cage (anyplace that you know where it is - this is particularly important when your car is not on its wheels).

    While not by the rules - standing in the road (safely) and waving cars by (with a thumbs up) has always been acceptable. This does point to having triangles in multiple places (and knowing where they are).

    Above all - try to remain calm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowImg View Post
    It was between the driver's seat and the trans tunnel, so I can reach it and so can he. He was just quicker on the draw and gave it to me while I was getting out of my harness.

    Lanyard lights aren't a bad idea - wasn't sure how I'd actually carry a light. Most of the common options wouldn't be very reliable. I could certainly put a light in my pocket, but the chances of it falling out would be pretty high, the suit pockets aren't great in that respect. I wonder if I should have some velcro sewn on them to hold them closed.
    You did good Sorry about the car.
    Since we dont like to practice crashes, I need to go over scenarios in my head many times before hand hoping to remember all the right actions in the moment. (I am a visual learner) We had all three triangles in the car. One beside the co-driver and the others velcro-wrapped each side to the cage behind the seats. If you are staying for awhile the driver can help. Light pen on a lanyard is great idea if you dont mind it slapping your face in a roll over. (Probably doesnt matter at that point since your notes, pen and ... will all be vying for attention. I like a small LED (2"-3") penlight in my pocket or in the pouch on the co-driver door. (Velcro flap) The Laminated OK/Red Cross sign Velcro d to the roof works well. Have a system and put everything back in the same place after changing your tire in the dark (now your in a bigger hurry) so its there for the next excursion.
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