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    As a spectator, I think it gets a little boring to see everyone driving a Subaru or an EVO. This is really relevant when you see the top ones go by at Speed, then you see the rest of them just doing their best.

    I would like to see more unique cars out there, racing and you end up cheering for the underdog who is trying his best.

    We can discuss any point we want.

    I wanted to start with my wonder of why no one has tried to create a new style Celica Rally car (year 2000+). Sure, its only a FWD, but should it not be able to race with some VW Golfs, Fiestas, SRT4 Neons, etc etc etc?

    Are they just too fragile to even bother? I'd give it a go someday if it makes sense!

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    People pick cars that are cheap, easy to build/modify, have a history of rally (meaning parts already developed, tested, and for sale), have a familiarity with, or have a love for a particular car. Or, a combination of those.

    I love seeing a lot of different cars rally, since you stand out in a sea of Subarus, but at the same time, I'd love to not mess with my car constantly and just have stuff work.
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    Says the man who rallies a car older than himself.

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    IMHO, one of the most important systems on a rally car is the suspension. If it can't be made to work properly for the conditions, you'll either bend or break (and replace) it frequently. Or be driving very slowly. Odds are if you pick one of these cars to prep, you'll be amoung the people who've built a car, entered one or two events, then never we hear from them again. So it depends on your objective and bank account.

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    I think it we be awesome to run a really unique car and to see more of them out there. But yeah, you need to be able to get parts. I bought a Subaru.

    Not that I am really sad to have a Subaru, any car that gets me out there... Wouldn't be my first pick if I could race anything, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyB View Post
    I wanted to start with my wonder of why no one has tried to create a new style Celica Rally car (year 2000+).


    New and different cars mean doing a LOT of development and custom fabrication. With Subarus and Mitsubishi there are global resources of knowledge and parts that are proven to work. (Similar for VW in the 2wd cars)

    The celica above did fine, after a lot of development, but certainly didn't do anything extraordinary. (It was a P3 car, not Gr2)

    (the 'proof' watermark is from the photog's site, not an ignorant statment of 'proof' that the car exists )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morison View Post

    New and different cars mean doing a LOT of development and custom fabrication. With Subarus and Mitsubishi there are global resources of knowledge and parts that are proven to work. (Similar for VW in the 2wd cars)

    The celica above did fine, after a lot of development, but certainly didn't do anything extraordinary. (It was a P3 car, not Gr2)

    (the 'proof' watermark is from the photog's site, not an ignorant statment of 'proof' that the car exists )
    Thanks Keith

    This is almost exactly what I was thinking about in my head, a Production class Celica. So it is possible, just difficult.

    At first, I was just imagining having a Toyota Rally car, and I originally thought about my old Corolla, but why would you start with a corolla when we all have an idea of what it has to offer.

    The same question goes to why there does not seem to be many newer Civic rally cars, even if there are much greater numbers when you get into the mid 90's model years. I know I have seen 1 newer model civic in the US, but that is it.

    It is just a bit shameful that the only new car you can convert into a reliable 2WD rally car is a Fiesta. I have not seen any others to date.

    I agree with everyone saying that you want to have a reliable car and finish rallies. Its more fun that way, cause you get all the mileage. I was also thinking that Toyota is a reliable name, how could we make this work?

    Another Idea I have is to start with a late 80's Mustang. RWD would be fun to drive, the class needs the competition and I would think there are several donor cars available for parts. I have not seen any Mustang Rally cars in Canada, and know of only 1 or 2 in the US.

    Thanks for the great info guys, keep the ideas coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyB View Post
    Another Idea I have is to start with a late 80's Mustang. RWD would be fun to drive, the class needs the competition and I would think there are several donor cars available for parts. I have not seen any Mustang Rally cars in Canada, and know of only 1 or 2 in the US.

    Thanks for the great info guys, keep the ideas coming!
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    The problem with the Celica you speak of, dream of, IMO, is it's low roof line. A car with a low roof line sucks for putting a cage into and after the cage is in place, it's hard to fit people wearing helmets into it safely. You would have to bolt the seat to the floor pan and have one that lays back a bit too, if you're taller than say 5'8". If you've seen my '84 Celica around the web, or the build thread in the construction section here, I can't comfortably even fit into it with a helmet. The seat is about as low as the floor allows and I only have a half cage, so nothing over head. I considered a Mazda MX-3, similar size to te '00-ish Celica, same trouble, too low a roof line for me.

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    I like to race the Ford Raptor as it sticks out in a crowd.

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