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which rally would you like to see as part of the crc?

CRC 2010...

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#1 ·
Now that the High Country Rally Group has made their decision official it is time for us to discuss the future and 2010.

The plans for the 2010 CRC are to do a rallycross, two tumbleweeds and a stage rally.

Inlight of the fact that no individual has stepped forward to spearhead a transition of rallying in Route County, we are faced with a decision to make, mainly what stage rally would you like to see in the CRC?

Currently Idaho and Prescott seem the most reasonable options.

So what say you, the competitor, what event would you like to see us work on including?
 
#4 ·
Never been to either... Anybody have info about what Idaho is going to be like this year? The web site is getting updated so there's nothing there. prescottrally.com has last year's details about that one (I assume it'll be similar this year)
 
#5 ·
Hint: read above.

Idaho is fantastic. Been there every year its been put on. Open sometimes, technical and twisty sometimes too... imagine the note-load of middle cog on a few stages only add trees and more trouble.

Not to say Prescott is bad... on the contrary its a very fun event as well... Mitch, the crew and I had a good time down there racing on the USRC tour in 2008. Its especially great if you can entice the Irish guys to swing this way, and then take them to a tequila restaurant.

Even better thing is that Idaho is a hop and a skip for us to get there.
 
#7 ·
Despite trying to put together a car for MaxAttack! and hoping to attend Rally Idaho, I'm actually leaning towards Prescott.

My reason is that we have a number of events in Colorado from May - September already. I realize the CRC won't be counting any hillclimb events, but they're still happening, and its a convienent & inexpensive place to play with our rally cars.

Dave
 
#8 ·
Prescott would be cool cause my brother lives there so no hotel costs for me.
Dave has a good point with the calendar part of the story.
By the way, 100 Acre Wood, Idaho, and Prescott are all around 800 miles from here.
100 Acre Wood is at end of February and potentially bad roads for drive. RA National event and Regional Championship event already.
Idaho is mid summer and has by far the flattest and easiest drive albeit boring at times it's so flat. USRC event and some pretty spectacular roads. Potential of being a Max Attack event, which adds exposure and serious competition for the 2WD CRC teams.
Prescott is the final event of USRC. The drive is probably the worst of all with a few mountain passes, but really cool roads and a casino in town. Even though they do charge you for drinks at that casino.
 
#9 ·
I'm a non CRC competitor , but a competitor of both the above mentioned Rallies.

I voted for Prescott.

My reasoning is to make Prescott sort of a Mecca of competition! Prescott is the Finale of the USRC with tow funds for East coast winners which will cause this event to get some entrants from as far as new york.

Seems this would be the most fitting situation! Get a large chunk of fast Colorado guys to come out and battle versus the "Fastest in the nation!" at the USRC Finale! Especially if it becomes your year end event as well as being the usrc year end!


(prescott) The drive is probably the worst of all with a few mountain passes, but really cool roads and a casino in town. Even though they do charge you for drinks at that casino.
what the Colorado guys are afraid of mt passes? huh? I'm confused. :confused:

Either way i look forward to mixing it up with some Colorado teams at some point in 2010.
 
#10 ·
I'm not afraid of mountain passes. People are a bit afraid of riding with me on them though. I do like the idea of ending the series with a stage rally. I also like the idea of including both events, though then maybe the name should be Rocky Mountain Rally Cup instead of Colorado Rally Cup. :)
 
#11 ·
Both events becomes cost prohibitive for your average competitor.

Or in other words we don't want the CRC to consume 100% of your budget while still offering lots of great racing, fund, and value.

Last year with 6 racing weekends we feel we consumed more time, money, and energy than we needed to, and that the racing mileage and actual competition justifies.

Hill climbs still offer a great value for competitors. But $150.00+ on top of memberships and what not when for 2-3 days time you get less than 15 miles that count, this begins to become cost prohibitive when we could provide 30-60 miles of racing over 1 or 2 days for between $150 and $250.

Granted there is no fancy pay out but more seat time is more seat time right?

The idea this year is 3 racing weekends with 10-15 coefficients worth of mileage and a real fixed expense cost of less than $2000.00 if you do EVERYTHING.

Last year alone if you did everything you spent approximately $1,800.00 on entry fees (give or take $100). Odds are good that you spent $2-500.00 more fuel towing your car around. This is before weekend expenses of hotels, food, or car operating expenses. Plus we took so much of your time it was either do all of the CRC or do other things for a lot of people.

This year we are targeting less than $1,500 in entry fees with less weekend costs.
 
#12 ·
Most of the rally car owning community in Colorado can afford the time and money to tow for two events. We wouldn't have rally cars otherwise.
Two of three racing weekends being a rallysprint kinda makes it more of a rallysprint series. Though from what I heard of how Tumbleweed went, a CORE Rallysprint series might be cool, then you could really keep the costs and towing mileage down!
As for the time committment, I know I look for ways to spend more weekends doing rally related ****. Last year I spent six weekends at rally events. Mark spent eight. Though I can certainly understand how self employed people like Salta and Checkpoint would want to limit time attending events in order to keep business running. Or people with kids and families, like Mitch and Aaron.
I guess everyone in the long run determines their own level of committment, myself included. I'm spending this year rebuilding my car to gain reliability so that when I am competing again, I can focus on that and not on constantly replacing, rebuilding, and repairing ****.
 
#14 ·
wow $5k in spending for 3 Stage rally events that is a lot of money. I'm not sure what all of the CRC I will try at this season since I won't have the gear and prep until later in the year. I'm looking at going to the Prescott Rally or Seed 9 Rally since they are late in the season. Next year I'll be ready to go for hopefully more events. I would chose Prescott but will leave it to the other CRC guys to decide that since this season will be rather short for me.
 
#16 ·
I don't even figure in the cost for tires as that can be hugely variable depending upon person. The vehicle expense is the same way. Tires, brakes, transmissions, turbos, engines, etc. The service life and replacement of those vary hugely between vehicle types. An Open Light and most 2WD cars can last a full event, or even full season on all of those. An Open class car can need replacement at every service (tires and brake pads) or every event. I mostly look at fixed costs. You can reduce expenses by camping, eating PBJs, etc.

(Idaho is an estimate for stage and transit mileage.)
 
#17 ·
Thanks for the info on Idaho. Those Max-Attack videos you guys did are fun to watch. The roads in Idaho look pretty nice (and pretty dusty). Prescott looks fun too, and like Dave said, it probably works out better scheduling wise. Plus it looks like there's a little night racing, and average temps are nicer (75 for Prescott vs 90 for Idaho). But those videos make Idaho look like so much fun. Tough choice...

We're probably below average with our budget, but at this point we're only looking at doing the local events and one major rally (if things pick up then maybe two). So the current CRC plan fits well with what we can do. But I'm not opposed to the CRC including more events, even if we won't be able to run them. It's hard to make the series small enough that it's affordable and attainable for a large number of competitors but still large enough to be fun, meaningful, and worth running. As Grant said - everyone determines their own level of commitment.
 
#19 ·
Thanks for the graph on costs for events that puts everything into perspective for me. Of course I would need to make sure that I take the amount you have in the graph and add about $500-$1,000 to make sure I have enough money for the event. Which is why for a big event like Prescott or Seed 9 which are my 2 possible choices to run 1 of those this year. Hopefully next year I can do more events especially since PPIHC is an in town event and would be the least cost effective one to run. This year I will be spending a lot of time at CORE and I may hit up a CRC event depending on the cost of that for some extra practicing driving in an actual competition.

I knew the cost was big for Rallying especially if it's about 100% out of pocket. which is why I chose Open Light since it should be less costly than any other class.
 
#20 ·
Hopefully next year I can do more events especially since PPIHC is an in town event and would be the least cost effective one to run.
Not sure what you meant here. PPIHC is close by, but entry fee wise its the most expensive event you can run ($1550 entry fee if you pay 6-months before the event, higher if you wait longer). IMO, the event is a bit pointless to run in a non-turbo rally car, though it has been done in the past. With almost all of it paved for 2011, I see even less incentive to run the event in a 100whp 3,000lbs car. Its certainly a great road and should be on everyone's to-do list at least once in your lifetime, but I'd bet you'd have more fun with it if you wait till your car's further down its development path.

I think you're right on track with your plans for cheap seat time out at CORE this year. Starting in AWD (even with low power) will hide mistakes better than a 2wd car would, so...if you have the $$ available, consider attending a driving school because once you reinforce bad habits its a bitch to get rid of them.

Dave
 
#21 ·
Prescott or Mt Hood are my unofficial 'goals' for getting the reprep done on my car.
CORE is a huge asset! Open Light you could actually remove some of the towing costs by driving the car to the event and recruiting locals to crew for you. We're going to be having a spring rally car party at the new shop, probably in April or early May.
 
#45 · (Edited)
I could be wrong, but I don't believe there is going to be a CRC this year.
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I was hoping there would be some more comments about this. I've been out of the loop, but the last I heard (the first post of this thread) was the CRC had a plan of a rallycross, two Tumbleweeds, and a stage rally (Prescott or Idaho). Is that no longer the plan?
 
#40 ·
The next CHCA board meeting is a week from today. I will ask about the pre-season tech days and report back. I beleive they will be in mid-late April, so that everyone is teched before Temple Canyon.

Also, for anyone running the CHCA series, if you want to get a blurb about yourself/team on the website, please forward me a paragraph and a photo.

Dave
 
#41 · (Edited)
I think I've decided to do the CHCA events this year instead of just doing the Prescott Rally in Oct. I will miss the first event in May though, since I'm not home yet and I'm still fixing up the Rally Car. I will make it to the June 5th/6th event though.

This is my first time doing this so any help would be appreciated. Like the cost of everything needed including event fees, How I would go about getting the car tech'd before the CORE event (since my situation of not being in the States until sometime in May, hopefully), and whatever else I would need to know.

Thanks

I found my answer to the cost of the CHCA. I'm in the process of reading the Rule Book.
 
#42 ·
Cool, sounds like you're on it. :) I will post an update in the Mountain forum once I have additional details on tech for CHCA events.

If you have an opportunity to, I'd highly recommend trying to get out to CORE for a shakedown day so you can get familiar with your car. Nothing worse than dropping an entry fee only to find that something trivial isn't sorted.

Dave
"the guy who sat in the pits for all of Buffalo Peaks with an evap wire grounding out the electrical system"
 
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