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    Figures.

    I haven't read the patents to see where the novelties lie, but here is the HANS patent if someone wants to pour thru it.

    I haven't found the patent application for the DefNder yet, but it will be interesting to see if there is something different enough about it's design that it's deemed a "novel" design.

    http://www.google.com/patents?id=Q8I...k+hans#PPA7,M1

    I mean, if you had a monopoly as THE ONLY design of safety equipment written into the rules of many series', paid to have a "motorsports spec" written to envelope your device, but not your competitors, and had a cash cow like the HANS, you'd be protecting it too!

    65,000 units sold according to the article. At an average of $900 a piece, that's sales of over $58million so far. Nice.

    I got my $500 hat last year. Closely analyzing the injection molded "sport" model, I figure there was about $6 of materials, $10 of hardware, and $25 worth of labor cost at most. $41. So if they make a 140% profit on the thing, that would be a hundred bucks.

    But I did get a nice hat with the deal. I tell folks I got a $100 HANS, but don't you DARE touch my $500 hat that came in the same box!

    You gotta hand it to them. They came up with a product that works, did it first, and paid to get reputable testing facilities to do the testing. They deserve success, for sure. Not sure if they deserve a legal monopoly, but they do deserve success.
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    HANS doesn't necessarily have a total legal monopoly since Safety Solutions and LFT Technologies have SFI 38.1 certified H&NR devices available. Not sure if anyone other than HANS has a FIA-approved device available yet though.

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    Wonder how much was spent before the first HANS device was sold? IIRC, there were literally YEARS of R&D.

    Patents ARE sort of monopolistic, in a way, but that's what they're for - and have been for hundreds of years. That is, if you come up with a better mousetrap, it's YOURS - at least for some period of time. Seems fair...

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    Yeah, I agree. And I also agree that the person who discovered the need, developed the product, and did the development (especially one requiring such expensive testing as hiring crash test rigs) deserves the lion's share of the rewards.

    I do look forward to reading the defNder's patent application to see on what grounds they are claiming novelty. And comparing said application to HANS' patent to see if HANS painted themselves into a box with too descriptive wording that gave defNder a way into the market.

    I am interested in these things as a product development specialist with my name on a couple of those goofy pieces of paper myself! Good to know how to protect yourself. It's all in the writing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Burmeister View Post
    Closely analyzing the injection molded "sport" model, I figure there was about $6 of materials, $10 of hardware, and $25 worth of labor cost at most.
    I thought they were carbon fiber? But if you're right about your material, hardware and labor cost estimates that hat had better give you x-ray vision or allow you to fly or something.

    The thing that sucks is that everyone else gets screwed. Granted, the idea that big companies have deep pockets is disasterously closed minded but HANS definitely has a strangle hold on everyone that's required to use an FIA H&NR. The problem with them having a "monopoly" is that they aren't really violating anti-trust laws which means they can still basically charge whatever they want. It's not like they have a deal with the FIA to be the only certified H&NR although it definitely seems like it.

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    Closely analyzing the injection molded "sport" model,
    You couldn't pay me to wear a sport, they are a LOT heavier then the extra, and a LOT a LOT heavier then the pro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Burmeister View Post
    Closely analyzing the injection molded "sport" model, I figure there was about $6 of materials ...
    And the human body has about $4.50 work of materials.
    You can't ignore the 'intelectual property' that is involved with items - straight material and fabrilcation costs is irrelevant. You also didn't factor in tooling costs for the product let alone R&D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morison View Post
    And the human body has about $4.50 work of materials.
    You can't ignore the 'intelectual property' that is involved with items - straight material and fabrilcation costs is irrelevant. You also didn't factor in tooling costs for the product let alone R&D.
    Or the cost to litigate this lawsuit, the cost of liability insurance, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiTempguy View Post
    You couldn't pay me to wear a sport, they are a LOT heavier then the extra, and a LOT a LOT heavier then the pro.
    But when it's cranked down on your body by the belts does it really matter on the weight?
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