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Vanner232
08-18-2013, 12:10 PM
big list eh!

John Vanlandingham
08-18-2013, 12:39 PM
Brandon did you know you're posting in Classified?

Maybe the ever vigilant Mods will move it..

But No1 INFLEXIBLE RULE is to clean things to clean shiny bare metal. If you're willing to lick the metal, then it's clean enough.
Use .030 wire, lift the cover for the welder and read the reccomended settings as a staring point... Listen to the weld---it should sound like a nice hissssssssssss not hacking and coughing and popping, clean smooth sound.. And practice.. That is the key to happiness in everything. Lots and LOTS of practice.

Say 200 hrs of supervised welding before welding on a thing you trust your life on..

Why you starting with such an expensive car? Are you independently wealthy or a Trustafarian?

Willing to throw it away right now?

It's pretty expensive to get a car built and run it even sticking to Ontario events...

I presume its a Subaru RS, what could that bring you if you sold it?

I betcha you could pay 2/3 the cost of a finished car--presuming you find a $400-600 car...

TronDD
08-18-2013, 01:42 PM
Yeah, you should be in the "Car Construction" forum.

I haven't seen the Clear Water team at US events this year. Sticking closer to home or have I been too busy to notice?

While I agree with John that there are cheaper cars to build, a Subaru (in my experience) works well if you keep it simple and stock.

The best part of a Subaru is that there is no end to the support in the rally community. There is always several teams at each event offering knowledge, crew support, and parts.

Tim.

John Vanlandingham
08-18-2013, 02:16 PM
Yeah, you should be in the "Car Construction" forum.

I haven't seen the Clear Water team at US events this year. Sticking closer to home or have I been too busy to notice?

While I agree with John that there are cheaper cars to build, a Subaru (in my experience) works well if you keep it simple and stock.

The best part of a Subaru is that there is no end to the support in the rally community. There is always several teams at each event offering knowledge, crew support, and parts.

Tim.

That and the Lego+ability..

To me it seems a first gen Legacy shell which ought to be cheep! cheep! cheep, and with the normal prep it can do just as well as anything
A friend up in Massivetwoshits took that advice and he's seems to be doing just fine: Look for Jude Demeis

You can wad up a legacy and shed a lot less tears than wadding up an 04...And there's noting aside from sheetmetal and weight different that can be swapped.

Amd you will wad the first car, sooooooooooooner or later.

TronDD
08-18-2013, 03:00 PM
Yes, Jude is very fast in his Legacy. I don't know what he's got for a drive train, but it's easy to start cheap and upgrade later when you get the skills to use it. Jude only runs tarmac, though. Which, I guess says more about his speed in that car.

Tim.

John Vanlandingham
08-18-2013, 08:11 PM
Yes, Jude is very fast in his Legacy. I don't know what he's got for a drive train, but it's easy to start cheap and upgrade later when you get the skills to use it. Jude only runs tarmac, though. Which, I guess says more about his speed in that car.

Tim.

If you followed the evolution of Subies in the WRC you'll see that it follows virtually the same course as Ford with Sierra Cosworth and Misterbitchy Gaylant (<---and that right there is sumpin that Jude came up with..he had some dumb friend who was kinda the cliche Mass-hole always looking for a argument and offense, a typical 20 something jerk...and the guy drove a Galant---a car Jude knows I like..one morning here in Sleezattle I get a call and its Jude and he's giggling like a schoolgirl and says "Dude , my freiend with the Galant just showed up and i had a brilliant flash, it came to me in a vision, a great Gratuitous Vanlandinghamism, hang on and listen, he's coming in the door" and i hear the car pull up, the guy comes in and mumbles a greeting and Jude says to him "So, how's the old Misterbitchy Gaylant going today?" and i could hear the guy blowing a gasket and shouting all kinds of stuff and clearly angy but Jude just keeps going, Well it's running good for a GAY-lant" and howling with laughter at the guy who is now "gonna fawk him up!" He comes on the line giggling "Oh that was perfect! You can use it, it was inspired by you anyway so have fun with it!")

All had wheelbase between 102" to 102.7" and trunks and all worked and looked fantastic on GRAVEL, but all suffered badly at the fleets of Lancia Delta Intergrales on asphalt...(Lancia is about 97.4" wheelbase, like a MkII Golf, but less overhang) especially like in Corse, San Remo and Monte Carlo (Spain tarmac was "like freeway")
Everybody ran very stiff diffs front center and rear and it was hard to rotate around tight junctions...and I tell you, French asphalt can be about 1 lane wide enough for one modern car--very narrrow--very twisty (i spent 2 years driving tiny skinny back roads in France every week--sometimes 4000 km a month or more in a good month, most on back roads "D" or "Departemental" (county) roads....50 km/hr average was good.

So the evolution of the Impretzled, the Lancer and the Escort Cossie were all to parry the attacks from Lancia...
They did it, too.

But we don't drive (Much) asphalt and what there is is stupid fast so I say there's no particular advantage of the Lancer, Impretzled (or Escort Cossie) in North American stages.. Now the shorter cars IN GroupA they could make acceptable stable because everything is adjsutable and set-able so they can wind in a ton of castor and it'll go straight till you turn it, but 90% don't have adjustable camber/castor/toe on all 4 wheels..

Add to it the ridiculous SS average* speeds here and a long and stable car like Sierra, Gaylant or Le-gassy begins to look like an advantage. For 99.9% it is.





*Just for a comparison tyhe same weekend as folks were up in Maine playing it was Rally Finland aka Finnish Grand Prix because of the high speeds....
The best drivers (still active) in the world were doing average speed of around 73-74mph....the drivers would spank our best, Ben Klock, by MINUTES per stage when he was over...while here he was averaging 80+mph...

MConte05
08-18-2013, 08:49 PM
+1 on the Legassy.

I didn't chose it, I kinda found it. Found a caged Legacy on CL with an SCCA logbook, bought it for $1800 and a pair of WRX front brakes. Have put a couple thousand into newer safety gear, a newer 2.2L NA engine, and a 4.11 gearbox I got for free. It's a dead reliable car that is very predictable and easy to play around at high speeds. Perfect for the stuff I race around in the midwest (100AW namely).

KDeV
08-19-2013, 10:12 AM
I haven't seen the Clear Water team at US events this year. Sticking closer to home or have I been too busy to notice?

Tim.

As far as I know Michelle has been running the Ontario/Canadian events so far. Ian seems to be easing into a crew chief role, except when he brings the Porsche out to play.

Brandon, maybe pick Eric V's brain about his car. IMO something along those lines, but slightly newer may be something to consider as a jumping off point into rally. Chris Martin or Ryan Huber are running RS' ('93 and '00 if entry lists can be believed) They might be able to shed some light on the subject of prep work/ build ideas on those types of chassis.

It might not hurt to check out the RSO club forums (MCO, MLRC, PMSC,SPDA,among others) to see if there's any shells or built cars that could be had as well. Many folks on here are advocates for buying a complete car for your first for various reasons.

Just a question, have you done any rallycross or Nav rallies? You're obviously early in the build/competition process but you need to have some experience in those type of events before you can get a rally licence.

From CARS site


To be eligible for a Regional Rally Licence you must:
pay the required fee
be 16 years of age or older
have a valid driver's license
be a member of a CARS affiliated Club
hold a valid emergency first aid (or higher) certificate from a recognised provider
have a valid CARS medical examination form signed by a physician
have participated in two rally events, including Navigational Rallies, RallyCross, Rally Sprint or recognised Rally Schools

Good luck though, its always good to see new faces involved

Vanner232
05-19-2016, 11:40 AM
thank all of you for the advice. my build is moving along quite well.. i did decide to use the 04 . I will post pics up in the appropriate section ! if you guys would like to check it out and bring your ideas with you I would appreciate it! thanks again

Cheers
Brandon