Is Rally Moto a go?

[Eric Burmeister]

Should I be looking at crating up my bike to send westward? Prolly shoulda brought it last weekend and thrown it in Bruce Davis' trailer.

Any east coast events coming for Rally Moto?

Thanks,
Eric

[heymagic]

Rally moto no go..at least for Olympus. We ran out of time to get all the details worked out. It is being considered for Wild West in the fall ( as far as Washington events )

Gene McCullough
Olympus Chief Scrutineer

[jamesbialas]

Whoa!? Bikes in rallies? Sign me up.

Sounds like the events fell through, but I'd love to talk to the people involved. I'd really like to try and sneak something like this into LSPR if I can.

The 27bhp and 70mph top speed of the TTR-250 is just itching to take on a rally or two as well. :7


Edit: OK, looks like it's a NASA thing. No Rally Moto for LSPR then....

[jamesbialas]

Maybe we can get a RallyMoto class in a winter rally just to seperate the men (or women) from the boys. }(



http://www.feep.org/gallery/albums/winter0506/P1010002.sized.jpg

[Anders Green]

As an update, this is a go for Sandblast Rally 2007 (http://sandblastrally.com/2007) in South Carolina in February. We're taking entries now... who wants to be the first person in the country to enter a RallyMoto event? ;)

The bike prep rules were posted a couple months ago:
http://nasarallysport.com/rules.php

See you in the sand!

http://sandblastrally.com/images-logo/SB-Logo-400x165.gif

Cheers,
Anders

[Eric Burmeister]

I'll put it over on Supermotojunkie.com, advrider.com, thumpertalk.com, and ktmtalk.com for ya!

[mothra]

Anders do you have any fliers for the rally moto portion of the event yet. I would like to get them upat some of the places locally that MX, enduro, and adventure types frequent. In casual conversation there is a lot of interest but more detail is needed.

[JC_595]

I am considering this on a WR250F & may be bringing a road bike junky/XR rider to the mix also.

[jeff burmeister]

I'm hoping to have my new bike in time for the event as well, just not sure I want to pull it all the way out there on the same weekend as a local enduro... But it would be fun to run Burmeister, Burmeister for the first Moto Rally event in the US.

Are you jonez'n for the new ktm 990 adventure too?!

[Eric Burmeister]

Whatcha ridin' Jeff? I assume you found www.advrider.com

"Cuz"

[Eric Burmeister]

Hey Anders!

Went to the site, but couldn't find a definitive schedule. What are the scheduled hours of this event... I don't have my HID set up on the bike yet...just the crappy (but legal) headlamp setup. If there is a chance we'll be running after dark, I have some wiring to do with a new stator and regulator/rectifier to get DC power/rally lights.

Thanks,
Lurch

[starion887]

Hey Lurch,

Even if the official sked has things ending up in daylight, as a well prepared rallier I'd suggest that you be planning on this anyway. Any delay in the operations would make it might near impossible to avoid running in the dark.

Regards,
Mark B.

[Eric Burmeister]

'at's what I's thinkin' too, Mark.

Peace out. :)

[Clean RC]

ok how can I service and ride the rally moto at the same time... Im hopping this is a go for Rim...

[jeff burmeister]

My ride (only ordered at this point) is a bmw f650 Dakar. I saw you photos of you on your KTM. Nice

I'm still thinking about turning my order over and waiting for a KTM 990 adventure, but I want something I can ride to work this spring instead of having to way.

Either way, I'm hoping to start saving my money so I can do a two month ride from Houston to Argentina and back.

[mothra]

The f650 dakar is a nice bike if you want to ride on the street also. I wish that I bought the used on a looked at 2 months ago. My klr650 is starting to look worn.

The 990 adventure is heavy. I keep thinking about it but imagine it to be a real pig offroad.

[Eric Burmeister]

...but I want something I can ride to work this spring instead of having to way.


When I graduated from college ('94), my first job was designing neon signs for a big neon factory. I lived in a pole barn (honest) a few miles by fire road from the company. I rode my YZ250 (2-stroke) back and forth to work most of the summer (by trail...a railroad bed went right to the factory). Nice stress reliever for lunch hour as there was a powerline with jumps and big hill climbs halfway between home and work.

That was when I could pack everything I owned (sans Yamaha) in or on my rusted out 81 Subaru wagon, and the bike/gas can on a teeny trailer behind. Simple days.

(Yes, I owned a Subaru. :) )

Getting back to simple, the 520 works great. With a caliper reloc. bracket I can change between smoto and mx in minutes. I got a second set of forks so now I can get a complete second brake setup that stays bled with a 6 pot front for the pavey and dedicated suspension. Should still swap in under 10 minutes with practice if chain lengths are kept compatible (similar gearing on both rear wheels).

My Katoom is my playbike, trailbike, road bike, touring bike (sore butt), and trackbike. It's been equally at home on the pave at Barber Motorsport in AL as it was on the Red Bud national motocross track.

Get your mits on SOMETHING before Sandblast!

[Anders Green]

ok how can I service and ride the rally moto at the same time...
At the same rally? This is about as impossible as being a rally driver and crewing for someone else at the same time... in fact, it's exactly as impossible.

Sorry mate. :(

Anders

[jimmy]

Well - IF one plans on DNFing then this is not impossible.


At the same rally? This is about as impossible as being a rally driver and crewing for someone else at the same time... in fact, it's exactly as impossible.


press on,

[Anders Green]

So Jimmy, DNFing, eh? Sounds just like some sneaky codriving trick you would pull! ;) 8) You codrivers will stop at nothing to win, even if it means DNFing! :D

Anders

[Clean RC]

At the same rally? This is about as impossible as being a rally driver and crewing for someone else at the same time... in fact, it's exactly as impossible.

Sorry mate. :(

Anders

Well I figured that the organizers would run the rally-moto on friday afternoon before the start of the actual rally.. I mean honestly how long will it take to get a bunch of bikes threw a stage?? They run the bikes before the cars at baja... so who knows... I am just trying to plan out my year, and also get some two wheel racing in... I have my eyes set on the Elsinore grand prix once again...

[Lancia037Rally]

Eric,

Do I get a sidecar or am I riding on handlebars? Hey, no roof vent or harnesses, nifty.

Your navie

[Anders Green]

Well I figured that the organizers would run the rally-moto on friday afternoon before the start of the actual rally.. I mean honestly how long will it take to get a bunch of bikes threw a stage??

How long does it take to get a bunch of cars through a stage? *grin*

I think you may be misunderstanding a critical element of this: RallyMoto is full speed, flat out racing for bikes on closed roads, the same way that rally is full speed, flat out racing for cars on closed roads. Thus, the cars and bikes are running in the same block of time, one after the other. RallyMoto is not a casual tour through the stages on bikes or a TSD or a hare-scramble.

Hope this clears it up. :)

Cheers,
Anders

[tom grossmann]

Ok I have questions: I assume Rally Moto guys will all have roll charts. Having never used a roll chart, how would you work this while bombing down a really technical stage??? Would Recce be a must for a Rally Moto rider much like it is in Baja? If this ever comes to an event near me I'd be riding the small bore class..........always have so why stop now.

Tom

Hmmm wonder how fast you can get an old Hodaka down a stage??

[Anders Green]

Ok I have questions: I assume Rally Moto guys will all have roll charts.
Yes

Having never used a roll chart, how would you work this while bombing down a really technical stage???
I don't know. All our intersections are arrowed and bannered, and cautions marked too.

Also, consider the detail level: more like old route books. Which means for bikers, just like it used to mean for us, that you couldn't drive past what you could see.


Would Recce be a must for a Rally Moto rider much like it is in Baja?
If an event was allowing recce for cars, I'm sure the bikes would be allowed to recce too.


Hmmm wonder how fast you can get an old Hodaka down a stage??
Probably faster than you would be comfortable! :D :eek:

Cheers,
Anders

[mothra]

Ok I have questions: I assume Rally Moto guys will all have roll charts. Having never used a roll chart, how would you work this while bombing down a really technical stage??? Would Recce be a must for a Rally Moto rider much like it is in Baja? If this ever comes to an event near me I'd be riding the small bore class..........always have so why stop now.

Tom

Hmmm wonder how fast you can get an old Hodaka down a stage??


Roll chart questions are better asked at www.advrider.com

[tom grossmann]

Thanks for the answers guys

Oh and Anders I'm a bit of a nut. I go well on old bikes (especially Hodakas and Bultacos) and I go especailly well on small bore bikes..............it's those tall tippy modern bikes that give me fits. (Also note I've set top 3 times at Rally-X with a 70's XR75). "IF" Rally Moto makes it to the West Coast I'd be looking to field a 1 2 5.

Tom:)

[Rally West]

Not sure about the Hare Scrambles you have done, but here in the Desert there aint nothing casual about them.

If Rally Moto is gona run in the same time slot as the cars how are reseeds gona work? I know I will pass cars here in the SW tight twisties!!! Hell I ride some of the rally roads to get to single track...I know of what I speak!

Also the reason they run the bikes before the cars at Baja is that MOST of the bikes will finish before the other classes. At the regional Desert races the bikes are faster than even the Trophy Trucks.

I am interested in R/M, however I think there is a little left to be figured out and sorted prior to me comitting any effort towards it.


How long does it take to get a bunch of cars through a stage? *grin*

I think you may be misunderstanding a critical element of this: RallyMoto is full speed, flat out racing for bikes on closed roads, the same way that rally is full speed, flat out racing for cars on closed roads. Thus, the cars and bikes are running in the same block of time, one after the other. RallyMoto is not a casual tour through the stages on bikes or a TSD or a hare-scramble.

Hope this clears it up. :)

Cheers,
Anders

[Lancia037Rally]

If Rally Moto is gona run in the same time slot as the cars how are reseeds gona work?

Don't mix them up. Run all bikes, account for them all, then start all cars: or run all cars, account for them all, then start the bikes.

[Eric Burmeister]

Not sure about the Hare Scrambles you have done, but here in the Desert there aint nothing casual about them. [quote]

Have to agree with you here. Hare scrambles kicked my ass.

[quote]If Rally Moto is gona run in the same time slot as the cars how are reseeds gona work? I know I will pass cars here in the SW tight twisties!!! Hell I ride some of the rally roads to get to single track...I know of what I speak!

Also the reason they run the bikes before the cars at Baja is that MOST of the bikes will finish before the other classes. At the regional Desert races the bikes are faster than even the Trophy Trucks.

I believe we will have a few several minute break between the last car and the first bike. This segregation will remain throughout the rally.


I am interested in R/M, however I think there is a little left to be figured out and sorted prior to me comitting any effort towards it.

Well, that is the reason I AM doing it. To try to help them figure this thing out...and decide if it is even feasible (in my mind...for me).

That is one reason I think Sandblast is a great first event to try this out. First, the sand will be quite torn up from all the cars. We know that the bikes can go thru deep sand ruts like stink, but still safer in my mind (with full knobs) than loose gravel on hard surface roads.

Also Feb. in NC should provide less foliage than, say, July. If you've run hare scrambles, you know what advantage that provides.

All in all, I think it will be a good test of the concept and Sandblast has some unique features that (I think) will serve to safely test the water.

[Eric Burmeister]

Don't worry 'bout sand ruts. We'll be in better shape than any 2wd car!

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Dave, I have no experience with a sidehack. How 'bout one of them little kiddie trailers? :)

[tom grossmann]

Yuppers..........I love sandy rutty stuff......it's the nasty sharp edged black volcanic rock embedded in the road just over the next crest that's really brutal (ok so maybe I should stop riding bikes with weedy forks)

Back to the topic: I agree Eric much better sand then fast gravel. I've ridden my old XR200R on some of our gravel stages and even at 70 MPH the thing would skate wildy across the road on corner exits making it necessary to leave an extra 3 foot margin.........technical sandy rutty roads sound much better.

I hope this goes well there are enough of us here talking about it so it could be fun and Rem is right most bikes will put up very fast times.

Tom

[Anders Green]

If Rally Moto is gona run in the same time slot as the cars how are reseeds gona work? I know I will pass cars here in the SW tight twisties!!! Hell I ride some of the rally roads to get to single track...I know of what I speak!
Have no fear. :) Here's the plan, it's quite simple really:

-Normal opening cars go through
-rally cars go through
-after the last rally car a "Combo car" is released. The Combo car is a combination "car medical sweep slash bike car zero"
-after the Combo car _clears_ the course and arrives at the finish, declares that there are no medical issues to deal with (well, they would do that on course via radio, of course, not wait till the finish) and that all pointers and banner tape is in place for the bikes, we start the bikes
-the last bike runs
-normal first/medical sweep runs
-normal heavy sweep runs

So, there's no worry about bikes catching cars. They won't be on the roads at the same time. When I said "in the same block of time", what I meant was that in one session of the stage being "hot", both sets of vehicles will compete.

Cheers,
Anders

[Anders Green]

Don't mix them up. ... run all cars, account for them all, then start the bikes.
Yup, that's exactly the plan. :D

Anders

[Anders Green]

I believe we will have a few several minute break between the last car and the first bike.
Yup, enough time for the Combo car to completely clear the course of cars.


This segregation will remain throughout the rally.
Exactly. The bikes will never mix with the cars.

(Although someone asked me today if a bike could win overall. I'll admit the question totally threw me, cause that doesn't seem so impossible at all!)


That is one reason I think Sandblast is a great first event to try this out. First, the sand will be quite torn up from all the cars. We know that the bikes can go thru deep sand ruts like stink, but still safer in my mind (with full knobs) than loose gravel on hard surface roads.
It is soft, and I agree that this is a bit of a safety feature.


Also Feb. in NC should provide less foliage than, say, July. If you've run hare scrambles, you know what advantage that provides.
Oh, dude, you're going to love it. This is PINE forest of ridiculous proportions. How ridiculous? Well, at most points you can just drive over the berm and drive a CAR between the pine trees. The tree canopy starts about 30 feet above the ground, you can completely see through the curves. :D

Cheers,
Anders

[Anders Green]

Went to the site, but couldn't find a definitive schedule. What are the scheduled hours of this event...
The supp regs have a general schedule immediately after the initial table of contents. The stage schedule is Supps section 22.6.
http://sandblastrally.com/2007/forms/Sandblast-2007-Supp-Regs-Draft-1.pdf


If there is a chance we'll be running after dark
There is a chance with delays. You can get the sunset and civil twilight schedule from last year's Rally Guide 2, section 24.4.
http://sandblastrally.com/2007/forms/Sandblast-2006-Rally-Guide-2-v3.pdf

Looks like you'll have at least some competition: we already have some other RallyMoto folks unofficially competing!
http://sandblastrally.com/2007/comp-entry-list.php


Cheers,
Anders

[WRX424]

Have no fear. :) Here's the plan, it's quite simple really:

-Normal opening cars go through
-rally cars go through
-after the last rally car a "Combo car" is released. The Combo car is a combination "car medical sweep slash bike car zero"
-after the Combo car _clears_ the course and arrives at the finish, declares that there are no medical issues to deal with (well, they would do that on course via radio, of course, not wait till the finish) and that all pointers and banner tape is in place for the bikes, we start the bikes
-the last bike runs
-normal first/medical sweep runs
-normal heavy sweep runs

So, there's no worry about bikes catching cars. They won't be on the roads at the same time. When I said "in the same block of time", what I meant was that in one session of the stage being "hot", both sets of vehicles will compete.

Cheers,
Anders

Quads and bikes consistantly run top 5 times in Hill Climbs here in Colorado (crazy bastards), I also just watched the Baja 500 and a bike finished first overall! No doubt bikes are very fast (crazy bastards)

[Eric Burmeister]

Looks like you'll have at least some competition: we already have some other RallyMoto folks unofficially competing!
http://sandblastrally.com/2007/comp-entry-list.php



"bike unknown" is a KTM 520 MXC

[Anders Green]

"bike unknown" is a KTM 520 MXC
Fixed. Cheers. :)

[OlsonMW]

Well, this all seems very exciting if you ask me. Cars and bikes! And Sandblast is only about two months away. I'll be throwing my hat in to work this event then. Anders, you should receive my form in about a week. Wouldn't miss this opprotunity for the world.

[Anders Green]

I'll be throwing my hat in to work this event then.
Awesome! :)

We're going to need more marshals due the longer "train" of vehicles, so that's excellent news. There's a worker sign-up sheet on the web site. :D

http://sandblastrally.com/2007/worker-whats-new.php

Thanks!
Anders