MY 93 1.8L First rally car project

[amorton]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/amorton-25rs/rally%20car/DSC00883.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/amorton-25rs/rally%20car/project003.jpg

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So here she is, We still need to swap in the 22T motor build a cage and get a decent suspension. The car started off as a 1.8 FWD auto, now she is AWD manual, striped and getting prepped for the cage work. I am also striping down the main wiring harness, to get rid of the auto wiring, radio AC, ect ect. :cool:

[KevinG5Hahn]

Nice!


You realize you'll have to get a waiver for the car for Cog and Rally-America events right?

Looks like you Mark, and Steve should create a spec subaru class for rally sprints and hill climbs!

What are you doing for a cage?

[amorton]

I am reading up on FIA, and Rally America specs, and building one out of PVC pipe using the Vermont sports car and American Subaru team cars as a reference model. Once it is built from PVC I want to get it inspected and then build it from steel, tack weld it in place and then have a shop tig up the joints.

[KevinG5Hahn]

I take it then that you haven't built a cage.

Might think about having a shop build the cage entirely for you, conventional advice is never build your first cage...

[amorton]

yes the whole project is new to me. I may end up doing that and just do the prep work myself.

[mike270]

What events / series you planning on running? I hope not Rally America?

[amorton]

Being that this is a first car we were hoping to use it mainly for hill climbs and rally sprints. Rally America is a bit too far off to think about for now. Would this car be ineligible? provided the cage was built to spec?

[mike270]

The car would be legal. You driving the car wouldn't (which is what Kevin was talking about with the exemption/waiver).

A Novice ClubRally Drivers License will restrict a driver to compete
only in a Group 2 or Production Class car.

Thats directly from the rule book, but basically it means that new drivers must start in the slower classes.

Also don't forget VRP's.

[amorton]

I don't know if it is correct but I have heard that if you can prove experience with CHCA and possibly SCCA they can accept you into the higher classes.

[mike270]

Possibly yes, but its not easy to do. You would probably have to have quite a few years of experience before they'd give you that exception. Its a case-by-case basis.

[Joe Hanna]

I thought the waiver was possible if you installed a 12mm restrictor.

[KevinG5Hahn]

I don't know if it is correct but I have heard that if you can prove experience with CHCA and possibly SCCA they can accept you into the higher classes.



It has been presented in the past that RA will consider CHCA experience in determing driver elligibility, however, in saying that, it was at the same time stated that CHCA experience will not get you a waiver or stand alone as experience and had to be complimented with other experience as well. The only way to be sure, and know exactly what will mean what and what is needed for your specific case would be to contact RA directly, or not do RA events.

You could, for the time being, get your coefficents in a couple of months running NASA events, in the Pacific Northwest I believe they have 10 coefficents worth of NASA sanctioned rallies in a period spanning under three months, if you were to tow the car out there, finish the first rally, store the car, finish the second rally, you could get off of a provisional liscense in a year...


Although if you plan on running RA in the future it might be wiser to leave the 1.8l in (odds are that it will be much easier to get the waiver in the 1.8L NA impreza than in a 2.2 turbo, although it will be a bore at CHCA events...) and get the 10 coefficents...

[granthughes]

Hell yeah. Screw it, don't run RA events at first. Yeah, you may miss Cog, but you're likely not going to make it this year anyhow. Doo Wops, Olympus, Pacific Trials, Rim, Laughlin, Prescott, and a few more are all NASA events and you could easily get the coefficients to be able to run RA events in one to two years. Likely they'd give you a waiver for Cog once you do an event or two based on how the event is historically supported by local CO entrants. Then combine CORE and CHCA and your off to a good start. Oh, thanks for helping with the Rallysprint too! Mark's 2.2T is ready to go in and Steve is about to start his.

Edit to add: 800-1100 miles for all the NASA events, but aside from Cog the nearest RA events are 800-1100 miles too.

[MarkMalsom]

have you finished your wiring yet? i'm still working on my guage cluster and have 1 or 2 wires that i'm not sure which is positive or negative.

spec 2.2t class. sweet....

[amorton]

This answers that question

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y170/amorton-25rs/rally%20car/project015.jpg

[biscycles]

We can do the cage at champange, just call me for a quote 720-224-2470, we need to order steel, it takes a couple of weeks, if you want to see how happy some are about their champange cages then just ask: Scott Lendord, Mitch Williams, Mark Malsom, Grant Hughes, the list goes on, (not really it just sounded cool)

Steve

[biscycles]

Do not build your first cage it will take you much longer then it is worth, no only but to build two, Brian Moody first cage, took him 4 months, with 4-5 hours every day, with full welding experience, now biran and I can do it in 2-7days to full spec. we know all the tricks. This is not a "YOU MUST COME TO US" thing it is just not a good idea to have someone with experience do you cage.

[amorton]

I just dont know if I can afford to hire the cage out. I dont plan on really starting construction until July-Aug time frame, I will most likely be deploying to Iraq from September to December, so when I get back is when I really want to hit this project hard.

[mike270]

I agree with Steve...a cage is not something to skimp on. Skimp on the motor before thinking of skimping on the cage...trust me. Not only can they do it quicker, they know the rules and have a good idea on what makes a cage good and strong.

[KevinG5Hahn]

One more reason why not to build your first cage on your own.....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/evoiv/IMG_2870.jpg

[mike270]

Thats actually what was going through my head when I wrote my post (as well as the other horrible accidents lately). I don't want to be thinking "I wish I had a better cage around me or better saftey equipment" as I'm sliding towards a tree sideways at 100mph.

Edit: The co-driver from the car in the picture walked away with basically only bumps and bruises.

[granthughes]

Honestly, I won't have anyone other than Brian build a cage for me. He's really not unreasonable about the price. You may just stop in and talk with them someday.

On another note, there are many, many cages that are home built by non-cage specialists so it's not impossible. It's one of those, "I can do it myself but is it really worth it when it costs $xx to pay someone to build it for me?"

[MarkMalsom]

make sure to talk to brian at the very latest in the next couple of months as he is currently preparing to leave for an extended trip i've been told.

[ziggy682]

Tommy and I built the cage in our Civic, and we'd never done one before. It took us two weeks of nights and weekends, going to the shop every day after working 8 hours at our jobs. We had access to a shop with a pipe bender, welder, and numerous cutting and grinding tools. It's really not hard, it's just a lot of work. I believe we only messed up one bend during the building process. There are a lot of nice cages out there built by non cage builders. Shawn Whitney's cage is super clean. The Conley's have built two cages now, and while I wasn't very impressed with the GTI's, I believe they learned a lot, and the WRX cage is pretty nice. Although, for the price that Brian builds cages, it's probably worth it to just pay him to do it.

Mike K.

[amorton]

whats the typical cost to have a cage built?