CMR04 and Logitech Momo Racing

[Walter Clark]

Question for all you with experience using CMR04 as a simulator.

I run my game and Logitech controls from a laptop with an Athlon 3000+ 512M memory and GeForce4 420 Go 32M video. I use a 5'x 4' CRT projector for display.

When I set the game up I selected a fairly high resolution and detail but had issues with the road and scenery being jumpy which was unnerving. I backed the resolution down until the road and scenery remained smooth no matter my road speed.

I found I like the bumper cam view since it was less restrictive to the sides than the in-car so it was easier to see a little ways into inside of an upcoming corner before the car rotated. I hate guessing where to initiate the car rotation and frequently find myself heading for a wall, rocks or ditches on the inside because I am early. The bumper cam view doesnt completely address this but is better.

The next issue is with steering. I sometime feel like quick hands are getting me into trouble and the car will end up going sideways down a straight as I try to correct to the middle of the road. I adjusted the center dead spot to zero which seemed to improve control on center but that problem of overcorrecting seemd to persist. Last night I switched the cam back to a driver seat view and discovered that there are times when I can get the Logitech steering 180 out of phase with the game steering wheel on the screen. For example I can steer a repeated left-right-left-right sequence quickly (maybe 1/8th turn from center)and by the second left I see the wheel on the screen is just now at the previous right. I watched it while the car was not moving and I moved the wheel, and it is obvious there is a short delay between my input at the Logitech and the positon of the wheel on the screen. I presume the wheel on the screen (in the program) is indicating the positon of the front wheels at that moment. That is how I ended up getting sideways - sort of like what happens on a car with soft springs, tires and bushings when you start swinging the steering wheel back and forth wildly. I was able to compensate some by slowing and reducing my wheel inputs, but that is hard to do when going 100 on gravel and one is pointed toward a tree.

So my question is, do others experience this? Have you been able to relate it to CPU speed, video card speed, just the delay inherent in a USB input device? Can it be compensated for in any settings of the game or computer? Or do I just need to deal with it and try to anticipate more and steer less?

Thanks.

[Pete Kuncis]

I dunno. All I know is that you live near me and your setup sounds good. Should have a CMR04 get together *hint hint nudge nudge* :-)

Pete

[Walter Clark]

OK, maybe when I can stay out of the trees with this :o

Shouldnt be too long now. I just won Japan (2WD of course).

[Rally EVO]

Honestly, I wouldn't pay to much attention to the in car graphics... They are not a true representation of what it doing on with the handling. It's fluff and icing and such things. The car is handling just fine, just as it would with any other view. For some reason, the graphics driver just falls behind a bit on the incar stuff. No big deal.

As for the graphics themselves... the game is picky about the video cards it gets along with. I have a 128 NVidia and whenever it rains, it gets jumpy. My buddy across the street has a lesser card but no jumps in the rain. Odd, but true.

Here's a compeltely differentsubject though...

Have you tried SPLITTING your Pedals? It's AWSOME. You can trail brake and use the gas at the same time. Keep boost up under braking. Take advantage of left foot braking in FWD cars.

It's the best change I've made to the game.

The 2nd best is to set the steering controls up with WRC settings.

Shift paddles are for shifting right? Ever thought about using the SHIFTER as the E-BRAKE? LOL!!! It's SO COOL! Right there where it should be and very realistic. Can't think of how long I used a button on the wheel for the ebrake until it finally dawned on me to use the shifter as the E-Brake. Adds a lot to the game. You should try it!

Scott

[Walter Clark]

>Honestly, I wouldn't pay to much attention to the in car
>graphics... They are not a true representation of what it
>doing on with the handling. It's fluff and icing and such
>things. The car is handling just fine, just as it would with
>any other view. For some reason, the graphics driver just
>falls behind a bit on the incar stuff. No big deal.
>

Thanks. I do drive better when I am using the bumper view, so Iwill just continue that and ignore the wheel. I am practicing deliberately reducing my steering inputs and when I can contol myself that works.

>As for the graphics themselves... the game is picky about the
>video cards it gets along with. I have a 128 NVidia and
>whenever it rains, it gets jumpy. My buddy across the street
>has a lesser card but no jumps in the rain. Odd, but true.
>

So, you dont see any relationship between screen resolution and other things? OK. I have theresolution at a level where the presentation almost never skips or jumps (except when entering the occasional 2 or 3 turn.

>Here's a compeltely differentsubject though...
>
>Have you tried SPLITTING your Pedals? It's AWSOME. You can
>trail brake and use the gas at the same time. Keep boost up
>under braking. Take advantage of left foot braking in FWD
>cars.
>
>It's the best change I've made to the game.
>

I will look into that. I do LFB and it seems like the engine RPM drops a lot more than I would expect when I tap the brake with the throttle on - that must be the reason, huh? Is splitting an option in the CMR04 controller setup or do I need to run the Logitech thing in the background and change it instead? I set up that Logitech program once and ran it in the background but didnt notice anything about it that was better than the tuning aids in CMR04 so I stopped running it. I know the CMR04 setup lists the brake and accelerator as being the same slider. Is that where you change it?

>The 2nd best is to set the steering controls up with WRC
>settings.
>

What are they?

>Shift paddles are for shifting right? Ever thought about
>using the SHIFTER as the E-BRAKE? LOL!!! It's SO COOL!
>Right there where it should be and very realistic. Can't
>think of how long I used a button on the wheel for the ebrake
>until it finally dawned on me to use the shifter as the
>E-Brake. Adds a lot to the game. You should try it!
>
>Scott
>

In fact that is what I use the shifter lever for. If I dont have a clutch pedal, the paddle shifters come more naturally to me anyway and I thought that would be a good use for that thing sticking up. Of course I havent actually used it much. I am still learning how to time the hairpins in what amounts to a blind entry every time. I am used to looking out the side windows of the car and adjusting my timing according to what I can see and feel thru the wheel but the lack of side vision and lack of feel for traction still has me running stages multiple times until I can get the timing and speed from what I can see translated into steering, throttle and brake. On some corners I kick butt and some corners kick my butt.

[Walter Clark]

:7 :7 :7

I separated the pedals in Profiler and then set up the pedals in CMR04 to operate reasonably. After a couple false starts (hint the pedals need to be reversed - the hi-lo directions) I ran the stage I use for practice and to try out new stuff, USA SS1. I smashed my old record for that stage and with repeated runs kept bettering myself. With the pedals separated I can now really LFB. I just realized that before I was stabbing and releasing the brake to initiate and adjust a rotation because if I held the brake or modulated it I would kill my speed. Now I can stay on the power to keep up momentum and transfer weight to the front with brake pedal much like in my GTI for better steering grip and smoother rotaton. Just like Tim O' taught me. The hair pins can now be executed with a single sweep and better momentum coming out.

Thankyouthankyouthankyou!

[Rally EVO]

Cool.... aint it? LOL!!!

Glad to have helped out... now all we got to do is get together for a little race. ;)

Scott